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To: CynicalBear; Houghton M.
CynicalBear asks?
What is it that you think?
An odd question - if you want to know what a Catholic believes, why not look to the source? We believe what the Bible teaches and what the Apostles and their successors teach from the Bible that THEY wrote as commanded to by God.

If you follow the link, you will see what the Church teaches us from Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition in answer to your odd question: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a12.htm

1030 All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.

1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.606 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:607

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.608

1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: "Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."609 From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God.610 The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:

Let us help and commemorate them. If Job's sons were purified by their father's sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.611

606 Cf. Council of Florence (1439):DS 1304; Council of Trent (1563):DS 1820; (1547):1580; see also Benedict XII, Benedictus Deus (1336):DS 1000.
607 Cf. 1 Cor 3:15; 1 Pet 1:7.
608 St. Gregory the Great, Dial. 4,39:PL 77,396; cf. Mt 12:31.
609 2 Macc 12:46.
610 Cf. Council of Lyons II (1274):DS 856.
611 St. John Chrysostom, Hom. in 1 Cor. 41,5:PG 61,361; cf. Job 1:5.

253 posted on 10/30/2011 8:04:40 AM PDT by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: narses; CynicalBear
"If you follow the link, you will see what the Church teaches us from Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition in answer to your odd question..."

bwhahaha! Yeah, CB, just follow the link to get the answer...and the snipe hunt begins.."no it's really there this time...just don't shoot the jackelopes..they're out of season right now..."

254 posted on 10/30/2011 8:17:28 AM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: narses; Houghton M.; smvoice; daniel1212; boatbums; RnMomof7; Iscool
>>1030 All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.<<

“Imperfectly purified”? That’s a fail of Catholic Catechism right there.

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life." (John 5:24)

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 1 Corinthians 6:11 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are >b>sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Hopefully you noticed the “perfected for ever”. Perfected would indicate there is not more perfecting to be done. The RCC lies to you. Unless of course if you don’t believe that God inspired the writers so it’s His words we read.

I will put the words of God above the RCC.

257 posted on 10/30/2011 8:24:43 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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