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To: JustTheTruth
LDS doctrine is crystal clear that without the cleansing atonement of Christ, no person can expect to live eternally in the place where God resides.

Once again typical mormon obfuscation - but it proves my point. Kinda hard to progress to godhood if you don't have a body JTT.

For lurkers out there here is more on mormon atonement. From a recent (2010) general conference talk by apostle Dallin Oaks -

"Because of what He accomplished by His atoning sacrifice, Jesus Christ has the power to prescribe the conditions we must fulfill to qualify for the blessings of His Atonement. That is why we have commandments and ordinances. That is why we make covenants. That is how we qualify for the promised blessings. They all come through the mercy and grace of the Holy One of Israel, 'after all we can do' (2 Nephi 25:23)." (Oct 2010 General Conference)

Even the mormon article of faith includes works as a precursor to salvation -
―We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel‖ (Articles of Faith 3)

Lurkers note the word games mormons are playing here?

"Because of His Atonement, everyone born on this earth will be resurrected...." This condition is called immortality (Gospel Principles). Thus immortality is only a benefit of the atonement only for those whom God saves through repentance and faith. So it only supposedly saves all people from physical death without them doing or believing anything at all, the atonement does not save anyone from their sins but only "makes it possible for those who have faith in Christ to be saved from their sins."

How so?

"Through the atonement of Christ all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel. Salvation is twofold: General— that which comes to all men irrespective of a belief (in this life) in Christ— and, Individual—that which man merits through his own acts through life and by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel‖ (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation [Bookcraft, 1954], 1:134).

The notion of a salvation that one must earn or merit is simply unbiblical. Salvation is either a gift of God‘s grace or something we merit by our works; it cannot be both. "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace" (Romans 11:6).

Now, just where did you put that intellectual honesty at JTT? Omission of the whole story is not telling the truth.

84 posted on 10/29/2011 12:01:29 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla

Perhaps JTTT feels excused to deceive ... that mormonISM taqqiya at work again. Deceivers like JTTT, SD, and Rip seek to trick the reader into believing thigs about MomronISM that are untrue, as if deceiving readers by giving only a stilted, partial explanation (depending of course on the difference in how they define things like atonement) in order to deceive. Maybe these deceivers actually believe they’re not liars because they didn’t go into details, but they’re still lying by purposed, calculated omission while knowing they are practicing to deceive with their word weaving.


101 posted on 10/29/2011 2:56:21 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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