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To: CynicalBear

Veneration as “Queen of Heaven” is strictly a Western Church Tradition. Be careful with Revelation. It is only read in my church once a year. It made it into the canon by ONE vote.
The keys to interpreting it were lost when St. John died.

I would not dare to try personally, because it is way to cryptic.

In the Eastern Church, The Virgin Mary is NEVER depicted without her son in her arms.


904 posted on 11/05/2011 2:31:29 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: TexConfederate1861; CynicalBear
Yes, be very careful with Revelation...a person may stumble upon Rev. 17 and 18, and see the Catholic Church there...

"The keys to interpreting it were lost when St. John died."??? SO, the Catholic Church has the keys to the kingdom, but not the keys to unlock THE Book that shows the reader the things that are going to happen to bring that Kingdom in?

"Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the saying of the prophecy of this book." Rev. 22:7.

"And he saith unto me,(John), SEAL NOT the saying of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand." Rev. 22:10.

The truths of Revelation were to be understood and kept by all, therefore, they are NOT "hidden truths". They are simple and clear to all who will believe them, but hidden from them who refuse to believe...see (2 Cor. 4:4).

906 posted on 11/05/2011 2:47:50 PM PDT by smvoice (Who the *#@! is Ivo of Chatre & why am I being accused of not linking to his quote?)
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To: TexConfederate1861
>> In the Eastern Church, The Virgin Mary is NEVER depicted without her son in her arms.<<

Of course not. Check out Indrani, the wife of the Indian god Indra. Then check out the goddess mother and son in Babylon.

In Egypt, the Mother and the Child were worshipped under the names of Isis and Osiris. In India Isi and Iswara; in Asia Cybele and Deoius; in Pagan Rome, as Fortuna and Jupiter-puer, or Jupiter, the boy; in Greece, as Ceres, the Great Mother, with the babe at her breast, or as Irene, the goddess of Peace, with the boy Plutus in her arms.

The worship of mother and child originated in Babylon.

909 posted on 11/05/2011 3:05:09 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: TexConfederate1861

The key to understanding Revelation is in understanding the Old Testament .


940 posted on 11/05/2011 8:04:03 PM PDT by Lera
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