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To: CynicalBear

“But actually yes there is. For one, if she had died and was taken after death scripture would be incorrect on its account of resurrections.”

Does the doctrine or scripture give any account of her death?

“The complete story of Mary after Christ’s death and resurrection is built on myth only.”

I’m not quite sure you understand the doctrine. There is nothing in the doctrine that states that Mary died and was then taken into heaven.


50 posted on 10/28/2011 3:48:13 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi
>>I’m not quite sure you understand the doctrine. There is nothing in the doctrine that states that Mary died and was then taken into heaven.<<

If you honestly research the myth surrounding the death of Mary you would indeed find that there were stories of her death and even the burial near Jeruselem, The tomb was then found empty and the assumption was made that she must have been assumed into heaven without corruption. Ironically the length of time between her supposed death and the tomb found empty was three days.

For several centuries in the early Church, there is no mention by the church fathers of the bodily assumption of Mary. Ireneus, Jerome, Augustine, Ambrose and the others church fathers said nothing about it. Epiphanious in 377 A.D. stated that no one knows Mary’s end.

"But if some think us mistaken, let them search the Scriptures. They will not find Mary's death…for her end no-one knows." (Epiphanius, Panarion, Haer. 78.10-11, 23. Cited by Juniper Carol, OFM, Mariology, vol. II, pp. 139-40). The first church author to speak on the assumption, Gregory of Tours, based his teaching on the Transitus.

"The first Church author to speak of the bodily ascension of Mary, in association with an apocryphal transitus B.M.V., is St. Gregory of Tours" (Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma (Rockford: Tan, 1974), pp. 209-210).

But in 459 A.D. Pope Gelasius issued a decree that officially condemned and rejected the Transitus along with several other heretical writings. Pope Hormisdas reaffirmed this decree in the sixth century. [Webster, W; Marian Dogmas in The Church of Rome at the Bar of History; Banner of Truth Trust, 1995; pp. 81-85.]

So in truth you could say the whole doctrine originated with what the then RC called heresy.

Still, after declaring the writings of anyone prior who proclaimed the assumption of Mary the RCC ultimately accepted the myth and declared it a doctrine but not until the 1950s was it official.

“The Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory” (Munificentissimus Deus, Pope Pius XII, 1950).

53 posted on 10/28/2011 4:30:28 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: BenKenobi

No...but the Gospel of Thomas states that Mary died, and was resurrected, and taken into Heaven.


200 posted on 10/30/2011 10:32:30 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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