[CynicalBear]

>> You are relying on the tradition as established by Luther, while I, and the other Catholics here are relying on the tradition as established by the magisterium in the late 4th century.<<

Oh bull! Nice try but that dog ain’t gonna hunt. I refer to the original Apostles and you rely on 4th century and try to play the length of time game? Give me a break.

>> You would ask us to throw away that canon as handed down then, in favour of a much later canon as established by Luther.<<

I know Catholics are rather stuck on the Catholic canon meme but again, that dog don’t hunt. The Apostles came before the RCC.

[Natural Law]

"I refer to the original Apostles..."

Where are the Gospels of the Apostles Thomas, Philip and Judas in your Bible and why are books not authored by Apostles included?

[BenKenobi]

“I refer to the original Apostles.”

Then why is it that the first time that the list of books that you regard as your canon appeared with Luther?

Did the original Apostles give the Church a canon? Did they give them a bible that they could use as we have now?

[smvoice]

Pope Leo XIII (1823-9): The Church Fathers "have sometimes expressed the ideas of their own times, and thus made statements which in these days have been abandoned as incorrect." -Pope Leo XIII- "On the Study of Sacred Scripture".

There are even contradictions within Catholic traditions themselvs, it would seem.