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To: daniel1212
"But in many thing Rome has autocratically redefined what she meant,"

That is a mischaracterization at best. The Church has defined itself based upon its its interpretation of the Revealed Word and those who AGREE are in Communion with it and each other. It is completely voluntary as is evidenced by the many who proudly profess to not be in communion with it. To blindly (reluctantly, fearfully, and unwillingly) obey does not put one in Communion.

Those of us who are in communion have happily (blessed) chosen to be because we recognize the Church to represent the Truth.

So, why do so many of you obsess over the Church when your greatest indictment of Her is that Catholics love Christ imperfectly by your standards? With 2/3 of the world population still non-Christian wouldn't you better serve God fishing for souls in that lake and not sewing discord with Catholics?

3,399 posted on 11/22/2011 9:06:03 AM PST by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Natural Law

I think what you quoted is a somewhat different issue than what you specifically objected to, as Rome infallibly declaring itself to be the infallible OTC, which claim is not dependent upon consent of the laity or anyone, but which agree to implicitly submit to such decrees, is one thing, while forcing her members against their will to join and submit is another.

I did not contend for the latter and i think i provided for RCs having freedom for some degree of dissent in the majority of what she teaches and believes, yet i was objecting to the implicit assent of faith some teachings or teachers require, and which is required to be given to infallible teaching as a condition of being a RC, based upon the premise of assured infallibility which she autocratic declares she has.


3,435 posted on 11/22/2011 3:24:02 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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