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To: Mad Dawg
>>The problem is that a LOT of non-Catholic theology au fond is based on a forced choice, zero-sum, either/or paradigm that clouds discourse and obscures truth.<<

I think not. When a statement is made by the CCC and it’s put up as evidence we are told that what was said in that statement isn’t what that statement means. We are told that we need to go read two pages of text to try to understand what that statement says. When we go read those two pages we get an obscure runaround with insets of foreign language, because of course that foreign language is much more holy, which attempts somehow to disavow what was said in the original statement.

We get the same nonsense when quoting church fathers. What was clearly stated in there writing we are told is not what they meant but that if we read the entirety of their writing we will find that what they said in that original statement is not what they meant. When we read the entirety of their writing we find that nothing has changed what they meant in that original statement.

We see through the propaganda of the RCC. Their injection of mysticism and “extra biblical knowledge” through some secret orally handed down “truths” seems to impress many. The RCC is having the same problem the politicians today have. They don’t have the control over information they once had and truth is “getting out”. We can “search the scriptures to see if what they say is true” and we find much of it is not.

329 posted on 11/01/2011 5:56:18 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
Well! Harrumph! If you don't know who Ivo of Chartres was, HOW do you expect me to take you seriously?

[laughs hysterically]

Even if all you say after "I think not" were true, I don't see how it touches on my contention about (for brevity less than accuracy) "Zero-sum theology".

In fact, it seems to me to support my suggestion.

with insets of foreign language, because of course that foreign language is much more holy,

You think that moves the ball? I think Latin and Greek have a certain dignity, yeah, but I think it almost meaningless to suggest that one language is holier than another -- except that we students of Hebrew used to razz the head of the NT department because Paul said that Jesus spoke to him "te Hebraidi dialekto" which, we argued, meant that they speak Hebrew in Heaven. (I don't think he was persuaded...)

through some secret orally handed down “truths” Same question here. The only secrecy involved is that of the purloined letter. If you want to play the theology game, at which I am a rank beginner, you have to steep yourself in prayer,worship, scripture, theologians,and philosophers. It is a blessing that the body has many different members with different functions. Not everyone has the gifts to play theology in the majors, nor should they. The body needs all the members.

But here, to allege "secret orally handed down" just sets up another straw man. These things were not done in a corner.

As far as I can see your post confirms rather than refutes the contention with which you disagree, with the overstating of "more holy language" and the "secret orally handed down" giving examples of truth-obscuring, either/or thought.

333 posted on 11/01/2011 6:27:06 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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