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To: CynicalBear

The Book of Macabees speaks of prayers for the Dead. As for “Queen of Heaven” that is Roman. In the Orthodox Faith we venerate her as Most Glorious Lady Theotokos, and Ever-Virgin Mary. I don’t think the Lord has to put down that you need to use common sense. Veneration for his beloved Mother is not worship.


3,091 posted on 11/20/2011 4:33:21 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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To: TexConfederate1861
>> As for “Queen of Heaven” that is Roman.<<

So Rome was already there when Leviticus was written? Wow! First I heard of that.Oh, and isn't it Macabees that has all the historic inacuracies?

>> Veneration for his beloved Mother is not worship.<<

Well, maybe we should break it down. Let’s take the prayer of Prayer of Pope Pius XII. [http://catholicism.about.com/od/tothevirginmary/qt/Honor_Immacula.htm]

I’ll use just the bolded excerpts from the prayer.

we cast ourselves into your arms

1 Peter 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. (When did we need to replace God with Mary?)

confident of finding in your most loving heart appeasement of our ardent desires, and a safe harbor from the tempests which beset us on every side.

Hebrews 4:15-16 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. (once again Catholics replacing Christ with Mary)

O crystal fountain of faith

Romans 12:3 according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. or "a measure of faith." (but Mary is the “fountain of faith” for Catholics)

Lily of all holiness

1 Samuel 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. (for Catholics however, “all holiness” is given to Mary)

Conqueress of evil and death

Hosea 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes. (but Catholics claim it was Mary who conquered death)

Convert the wicked

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; (Catholics have even replaced the Holy Spirit with Mary)

Statement by catholic Bishop Liqouri “.......We often more quickly obtain what we ask by calling on the name of Mary than by invoking that of Jesus.....” She...is our Salvation, our Life, our Hope, our Counsel, our Refuge, our Help”

Need I go on? Catholics have replaced virtually every attribute and working of God and given that to Mary in their worship.

3,098 posted on 11/20/2011 4:50:31 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: TexConfederate1861

Sorry, Tex, they just love to quote Popes.

The whole Orthodox Catholic Church is unknown to them.

And i don’t think they know of any Orthodox Bishops..

:)


3,103 posted on 11/20/2011 4:58:08 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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