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To: TexConfederate1861
Go to the Hebrew. not the greek.

Why? The NT was written in Greek, not Hebrew.

She was made sinless to be the vessel that held God. Jesus could not be born in a vessel corrupted by sin.

Chapter and verse?

Also, tell me how MARY could have been born of a sinful and sin filled mother then.

Metmom: with all due respect. we cannot discuss further if you insist on verification by scripture alone. This was not the way of the Ancient Church.

It was the way of Jesus and it WAS the practice of the early (book of Acts) church.

The Catholic Church both East and West held Holy Tradition to be at the same level. Not every oral teaching of the Apostles was included in the Canon.

Then there's no way to verify it and it becomes unreliable, no more than hearsay.

I've asked several Catholics to provide those traditions to which Paul was referring when he told the different churches to hold to the traditions he passed down. Not a one has ever gotten back to me on that nor has anyone ever provided any sources to back it up.

FWIW, how do Catholics know whether or not those *traditions* to which Paul referred eventually got written down and became Scripture.

2,885 posted on 11/19/2011 1:44:22 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; TexConfederate1861; CynicalBear
The ORAL TRADITIONS that the Apostles taught (yes, even Peter) were put into writing and is said so by the Apostles themselves.

I Cor. 11:23: "..that which ALSO I [earlier] delivered unto you.." He tells the Corinthians he is presenting in writing what he had previously taught them orally.

2 Thes. 2:5: "Remember ye not, that, WHEN I WAS YET WITH YOU, I TOLD YOU THESE THINGS?" He gave them in writing what he had previously told them orally. He elaborates and provides further understanding in his writing to them.

2 Thes. 3:6: "When we were with you, this [same thing] we COMMANDED YOU [orally]...".

And yes, even Peter:

2 Peter 1:15: "Moreover I will endeavor that ye may AFTER MY DECEASE TO HAVE THESE THINGS ALWAYS IN REMEMBRANCE." Obviously, he was saying that he endeavored to put into writing what he had taught them earlier orally, so it would not be forgotten or corrupted after his death.

2,891 posted on 11/19/2011 2:07:13 PM PST by smvoice ("What, compare Scripture with Scripture?..We'll have to double the Magisterium...")
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To: metmom; TexConfederate1861
how do Catholics know whether or not those *traditions* to which Paul referred eventually got written down and became Scripture.

Or are they saying the apostles speak with fork tongue? They wrote one thing and speak another? Not so strange - their traditions that oppose God's Word was somehow 'just spoken'. Deception begets deception.
2,899 posted on 11/19/2011 3:34:16 PM PST by presently no screen name
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