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To: CynicalBear

She was made sinless at the moment of conception. And no she did not have any children. If you look up the original Hebrew, the word “brother” was an error in translation, the hebrew word meant close family member or possibly cousin. It is believed that Joseph had children from another marriage.


2,785 posted on 11/19/2011 7:46:07 AM PST by TexConfederate1861 (Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy.)
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She was made sinless at the moment of conception. And no she did not have any children. If you look up the original Hebrew, the word “brother” was an error in translation, the hebrew word meant close family member or possibly cousin. It is believed that Joseph had children from another marriage.

None of which is supported by Scripture.

On the contrary,....

Romans 3:21-26 21But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

1 John 1:8-10 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Tell me, WHY did Mary remain a virgin or need to remain a virgin after the birth of Jesus? Prophecy had already been fulfilled. What was the point?

Why ids it unreasonable to think that Jesus had half brothers and half sisters through Mary?

The Greek clearly uses the word *adelphos* meaning brother and *adelphé* meaning sister.

http://concordances.org/greek/80.htm

adelphos

Word Origin: from alpha (as a cop. prefix) and delphus (womb)

Definition: a brother

And sister.....

http://concordances.org/greek/79.htm

adelphé

Word Origin: fem. from adelphos

Definition: sister

From the womb..... Imagine that......

2,790 posted on 11/19/2011 8:01:53 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: TexConfederate1861
"She was made sinless at the moment of conception."

That differs only slightly from my own belief that she was preserved sinless from the moment of consent. It was a message to all mankind.

What do you suppose compels some to argue over the punctuation and ancient idioms in ancient manuscripts of Scripture and ignore the most vividly and repeatedly stated theme; that we simply love one another as God loves us? Its as like some evil magician's diversion. (Any guess who or what that might be?)

2,810 posted on 11/19/2011 9:06:57 AM PST by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: TexConfederate1861
>> And no she did not have any children.<<

Luke 24:10 It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.

Matthew 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

Mark 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

If they meant another Mary was that Mary also married to a carpenter?

In the following passage someone said His mother and brothers were outside wanting to speak with Him.

Matthew 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. 47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. 48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? 49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

Luke 8:19 Then came to him his mother and his brethren, and could not come at him for the press. 20 And it was told him by certain which said, Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee. 21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.

Obviously that person was talking about His blood brothers or Jesus would not have thought to mention it. Now if Jesus truly was not their blood brother and corrected them did He also deny that Mary was His mother in Matthew 12?

Was He again talking about the multitudes He mentioned in Luke 8?

John 7:3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.

Again in Acts 1 Judas the brother of James is mentioned along with Mary His mother. Reference again Luke 24:10 where Mary is called the “mother of James”.

Acts 1:13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. 14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

>> If you look up the original Hebrew, the word “brother” was an error in translation, the hebrew word meant close family member or possibly cousin.<<

Every time? Give me a break. You believe the CC if you want to but I’m calling blasphemy and lies.

>> It is believed that Joseph had children from another marriage.<<

“It is believed”? Deny all the references to Mary and Joseph’s other children and then claim “it is believed”? What utter blasphemy of the Holy Spirit who inspired those writers to clearly state that Mary had other children.

2,827 posted on 11/19/2011 10:09:24 AM PST by CynicalBear
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