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To: MarkBsnr; smvoice; CynicalBear; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; ...
This is in the same Beatitudes. Do you advocate we follow this teaching of Jesus as well? Or do Catholics only pick the ones about feeding and clothing and visiting and ignore the rest, because that's all we see happening here; cherry picking which words of Jesus to obey.

The same Jesus who told us to feed, clothe, and visit is the same Jesus who gave all these other requirements.

Matthew 5:28-30 28But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

Do you practice these or demand that everyone else do as well? Or is it restricted to just feeding the hungry and clothing the naked? And, FWIW, do you do it out of your own pocket at your own expense, or do you let someone else pay for it and provide the facilities and you just work at their location?

What about *annulments* (Catholic divorce)? Jesus said this....

Matthew 5:31-32 31 "It was also said, 'Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.' 32 But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 5:38-42 38 "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' 39But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

Matthew 5:43-48 43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Matthew 6 1"Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.

2 "Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 3But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

5"And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 6But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

7"And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. 9 Pray then like this:

"Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. 10 Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread, 12and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

14 For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, 15 but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

16"And when you fast, do not look gloomy like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 17But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, 18that your fasting may not be seen by others but by your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

Matthew 7:1-5 1 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

1,751 posted on 11/12/2011 6:03:38 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
This is in the same Beatitudes. Do you advocate we follow this teaching of Jesus as well? Or do Catholics only pick the ones about feeding and clothing and visiting and ignore the rest, because that's all we see happening here; cherry picking which words of Jesus to obey.

The same Jesus who told us to feed, clothe, and visit is the same Jesus who gave all these other requirements.

Wonderful. I see that you are going out on hitherto unexplored territory. I will aid to the best of my ability.

Do you practice these or demand that everyone else do as well? Or is it restricted to just feeding the hungry and clothing the naked? And, FWIW, do you do it out of your own pocket at your own expense, or do you let someone else pay for it and provide the facilities and you just work at their location?

When I fall afoul of these, I confess them to Almighty God and ask for His Mercy. I further ask for His Help in avoiding future occasions of that sin. I do not arrogantly proclaim my own salvation. I throw myself on the mercy of Almighty God. Further, not only do I contribute cash, I do the work as well. If I serve at a pancake breakfast for the KofC, I pay the full admission. Since I am on the Council, not only do I pay dues, but I contribute where it is expedient to help with our programs for the Church and community.

What about *annulments* (Catholic divorce)? Jesus said this....

Jesus is correct (duh). Protestants are not. What is your point?

48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Sounds like works to me.

"Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. 10 Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread, 12and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

14 For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, 15 but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses

Surely you do not believe that I hold anything against you. I forgive you and your companions rather easily. Luke 23:34. I believe that you have forgetten or else been overwhelmed by your hubris.

1,754 posted on 11/12/2011 6:17:27 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
"What about *annulments* (Catholic divorce)? Jesus said this...."

Jesus actually said considerably more on the subject of divorce than is contained in Matthew 5. Matthew 19 contains a complete prohibition against divorce:

"Some Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason at all?” And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, ‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”" Matthew 19:3-6

How many of these who attack the Church actually left the Church to divorce? How many think that the forgiveness they believe they received for that divorce is vacant if they continue to live in a state of adultery with a second spouse?

2,079 posted on 11/14/2011 10:58:58 AM PST by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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