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To: boatbums
When they by direct and indirect means show that they say one thing and do the opposite, that is not my judgement.

But it IS your judgment, simply because you can not and do not know the motive of the heart - that is God's realm.

All this could have been avoided if the question about the bowing of the knee had been answered instead of returning fire with a fusillade of angry fluff. By the way, the question has still not been answered.

The obvious conclusion is that it will not be for a very good reason.

1,750 posted on 11/12/2011 4:59:19 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; boatbums
All this could have been avoided if the question about the bowing of the knee had been answered instead of returning fire with a fusillade of angry fluff.

What a crock.....

Basing someone's level of spiritual maturity based on outward physical signs is ridiculous.

People bow their knees to all kinds of deities in this world. An outward physical sign of kneeling is meaningless as an indicator of the person's heart.

The fruit of the Spirit is.....

Galatians 5:22-23 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

Even Jesus said.....

Matthew 7:15-23 15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.

21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'

1,753 posted on 11/12/2011 6:11:28 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: MarkBsnr; metmom; CynicalBear
All this could have been avoided if the question about the bowing of the knee had been answered instead of returning fire with a fusillade of angry fluff. By the way, the question has still not been answered. The obvious conclusion is that it will not be for a very good reason.

Seeing as how this tangent started nearly one week ago, why don't we take a trip down memory lane and see what this so-called "question" actually was. Post #1016 on this thread on Sunday, November 6, You said:

My point is that so many who prate the verse 'that every knee will bow' actually never do it. You give me the OT; I give you Jesus. It is a common exchange that I have observed with many of my Protestant colleagues. Of course I stand in prayer. And I pray a decade of the Rosary in the morning while driving to work, so I am sitting at that point.

How many Protestants speak about prayer and never actually do it other than rambling stream of consciousness prattle at some public or semi public affair?

So, is your question really how many "Protestants" talk about prayer and never "actually" do it? Or, is it how many pray in a certain position rather than another? If you're honest, you will see that you started down the path of comparing the prayer habits of one against another, presuming your "side" was doing the true "bowing" of the knee since kneeling in your church is done. This argument has been going on a whole week, and I believe the REAL reason is because you got caught misinterpreting a verse - the one that says "every knee will bow" - and, rather than admit what matters to God is what is in the heart, you held on to the idea of one form of prayer posture being superior to another. Why don't YOU admit the "fusillade of angry fluff" was a diversionary tactic of your own to save face? The "obvious conclusion" IS obvious - or it SHOULD be!

1,849 posted on 11/12/2011 7:32:03 PM PST by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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