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To: stfassisi
>>As usual,CB,your sources are usually pretty lousy.<<

What utter nonsense. The lists are the same wherever you go. Peter preached in Italy. So what? No where does it list him as a Bishop of anywhere.

151 posted on 10/30/2011 3:41:18 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

“No where does it list him as a Bishop of anywhere.”

Are you willing to concede that your own source lists him as the first among the Apostles?


154 posted on 10/30/2011 3:43:35 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: CynicalBear
No where does it list him as a Bishop of anywhere.

You're in over your head with the Church Fathers,dear CB. You would do better to stick with your modernists!

Lets see what Church Fathers said..

by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre- eminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the apostolical tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere." Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:3:2 (A.D. 180). http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103103.htm

"And he says to him again after the resurrection, 'Feed my sheep.' It is on him that he builds the Church, and to him that he entrusts the sheep to feed. And although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single Chair, thus establishing by his own authority the source and hallmark of the (Church's) oneness. No doubt the others were all that Peter was, but a primacy is given to Peter, and it is (thus) made clear that there is but one flock which is to be fed by all the apostles in common accord. If a man does not hold fast to this oneness of Peter, does he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he deserts the Chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, has he still confidence that he is in the Church? This unity firmly should we hold and maintain, especially we bishops, presiding in the Church, in order that we may approve the episcopate itself to be the one and undivided." Cyprian, The Unity of the Church, 4-5 (A.D. 251-256).

164 posted on 10/30/2011 3:59:54 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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