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To: Judith Anne; CynicalBear; Natural Law; MarkBsnr

****What do you mean by that post? That Christ Incarnate and His Mother are another pagan pair?****

It sounds to me that the post is saying that Catholics worship a false Jesus because we venerate His mother and believe that He has taken her to heaven where she is celebrated by the angels and saints.

It fits with all the other references to “paganism” in Catholic Christianity and the charges that Catholicism is a cult ala Mormanism and Islam.

I truly hope that is not what is being said, for it reveals a huge gulf between us.

I have always thought that Protestants understand that Catholics believe in the very same Jesus as they do. That He is the second Person of the Trinity, God made man, born of a Virgin, incarnated through the overshadowing of Mary by the Holy Spirit, who suffered and died on the cross and was raised again, to ascend back to God to sit at His right hand.

The same Jesus, the Word of God, through whom all things were made and through whom all men, by believing in Him, are redeemed from sin and have their hope for eternal life in heaven.

I have always believed our differences stemmed from what protestants believe are heretical doctrines regarding the pope and Mary. I guess I was wrong. If what I am thinking is true, it is much worse than that.


1,502 posted on 11/09/2011 8:16:38 AM PST by Jvette
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To: Jvette

I agree with you. It almost sounds as if Catholics are being accused of witchcraft. Our own little Salem witch trials, here. Sometimes our separated brethren, God bless them, are a little spooky.

I know for certain that my Baptist son in law, my Methodist daughter in law, my Jewish relatives, my non-denominational brothers, none consider Catholics to be pagan. All of us believe of Jesus that He, aa you said, “ is the second Person of the Trinity, God made man, born of a Virgin, incarnated through the overshadowing of Mary by the Holy Spirit, who suffered and died on the cross and was raised again, to ascend back to God to sit at His right hand.


1,503 posted on 11/09/2011 8:31:32 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Jvette

It’s interesting that you immediately focus on Jesus the one part of that pair who all true Christians agree with. The difference is not the Jesus part of that but the mother part of that which compares it to paganism. No where in scripture is the “queen of heaven” spoken of with honor. In every instance it is an abomination.


1,514 posted on 11/09/2011 9:17:01 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Jvette; Judith Anne; MarkBsnr
"I have always thought that Protestants understand that Catholics believe in the very same Jesus as they do."

They most certainly do, but we are not dealing with actual Protestants, we are dealing with anonymous online avatars who represent only themselves and fringe doctrines contrived by purveyors of hatred in isolated kirks and internet sites decent Christians would not visit.

Every Catholic has some doctrinal difficulties with the Church, but these do not raise to the level of doubt or contempt because we recognize these difficulties as flaws in ourselves not the Church. Protestants differ only in degree. As Christians we have an obligation be be truthful and civil to our Protestant Brothers and Sisters, but we have no obligation to treat these anonymous online avatars with any more respect or courtesy than we do the hate and filth they spew.

1,515 posted on 11/09/2011 9:18:49 AM PST by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, in not raise your standards.)
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