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Reformation Day – and What Led Me To Back to Catholicism
The Catholic Thing ^ | 10/28/11 | Francis J. Beckwith

Posted on 10/28/2011 6:59:29 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: Natural Law
Do you believe that God is bound by the limitations of time and space or deny that He had the power to Assume Mary body and soul?

God can do any thing he wants to do...God could have put Mary on a Rolls Royce space shuttle in business class if he wanted to...

Did God do that??? Maybe, eh???

561 posted on 11/02/2011 6:23:26 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: MarkBsnr; CynicalBear
The term "have" in English denotes possession. It also denotes the relative importance of the two subjects/objects in the sentence.

Yes, we "have" God because HE gave us the gift of the Holy Spirit. To say that you "have God" can be construed as saying that you own or hold in an subordinate role, the entity of God.

In your dreams. That is only an opinion, a baseless assumption at best.

That is the arrogance of Protestant thought - that they own or somehow control God for their own benefit. That is not a Catholic thought and never has been.

BWAHAHAHA!!!!

562 posted on 11/02/2011 6:27:31 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: papertyger
>> But perhaps I've made a mistake. Please outline for me the way Sola and Solo are different in application to determining faith and practice.<<

Evidently for you there is none. Suffice it to say there certainly isn’t for the RCC and in fact the RCC has put the Pope on the same level as scripture. I will continue to insist that any doctrine I believe must be supported by scripture. The RCC on the other hand would have you believe one of the central tenants of their faith which is a doctrine based in Gnostic teachings of the 3rd or 4th century not based in scripture and which can be traced back to ancient pagan beliefs.

Whether you believe there is a difference or not matters not to me. Whether you believe all doctrine must be supported by scripture matters not to me. Each man must decide for himself what to believe in and have faith in. I will base my beliefs only by the divinely inspired writings of those who Christ chose as His disciples and made Apostles of. If the Apostles taught it, I believe it. If they didn’t, I will reject that teaching as anathema.

563 posted on 11/02/2011 6:34:29 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: papertyger
>>The verses you cite no more define the doctrine of the Trinity than a check outlines your financial status.<<

From what you have just said I’m sure for you it doesn’t.

564 posted on 11/02/2011 6:45:19 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Mad Dawg
>>I have met not a few in psych wards who felt called to spread the Gospel -- usually tome and usually at great length. I don't think feeling alone is the qualifier. And I don't see anything in Scripture that says it is.<<

Should a calling be based on a phone call from heaven? Maybe an email or text message? Should it be a certified letter or perhaps a currier dove?

565 posted on 11/02/2011 6:49:33 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: MarkBsnr
>>To say that you "have God" can be construed as saying that you own or hold in an subordinate role, the entity of God.<<

Or to have an obligation to or have a relationship with. Do you have faith? Do you hold that in subordinate role? Did you say “to have and to hold” when you got married? Do you hold your wife in a subordinate role? Do you have faith in your church and is that subordinate to you? Or should I just take that you hadn’t thought that one through much other than to construe a contrary stance?

566 posted on 11/02/2011 7:01:03 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Mad Dawg; metmom
>>but I have yet to see conclusive New Testament evidence that they are unable to pray for us such that this blanket proposition is proved.<<

Metmom, we got another one to add to the list.

567 posted on 11/02/2011 7:04:11 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Mad Dawg
Jesus says He intercedes for us.

Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Do Catholics say “yeah but we have an even better way”? Do they say “those who are in heaven have a better line of communication” even though scripture say we have Christ in us?

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Christ says He is within us yet you would deny that and claim to not have a close relationship? Do you deny His very words?

Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

We are to go before the Father in Jesus name.

Ephesians 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

The New Testament teaching is clearly that we are to go to the Father through in Jesus name and Jesus intercedes for us.

568 posted on 11/02/2011 7:20:22 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: MarkBsnr
Your doctrines and traditions are sausage making. INteresting that you would introduce "Nazi" into your post. Is there a Link (pardon the pun)? I don't know, you tell me. Concordats with you-know-who by the Vatican, you-know-who is a Nazi who is a Catholic, and the 2000 year old sausage doctrines and traditions who have deceived both "the great" and "the small".

The Bible would shut the sausage factory down real fast.

569 posted on 11/02/2011 7:23:17 AM PDT by smvoice (Who the *#@! is Ivo of Chatre & why am I being accused of not linking to his quote?)
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To: Mad Dawg
>> But I tell you the truth, it is better for you that I go away. For if I do not go away, the PARACLETE will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.<<

Do you not believe in the trinity?

» John 17:23: Christ Himself prays to His Father: "I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one."

» Romans 8:10: Paul tells us, "If Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin."

» Galatians 2:20: Paul speaks of himself and all true Christians: "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me."

Deny what scripture clearly states if you want. I will not.

570 posted on 11/02/2011 7:36:45 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: MarkBsnr

LOL There ya go with dem word games agin!


571 posted on 11/02/2011 7:37:51 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
>>So to your mind, the creation of man made churches is justified <<

Show me where I said man made churches were justified. Don’t twist my words like the RCC has twisted scripture.

Even if you belong to a church of one, it is still man made. Do you believe that yours is justified?

572 posted on 11/02/2011 7:49:01 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: metmom
The term "have" in English denotes possession. It also denotes the relative importance of the two subjects/objects in the sentence.

Yes, we "have" God because HE gave us the gift of the Holy Spirit.

The connotation of your posts indicate possession as in ownership. It is as I have said many times; the legacy of the Reformation is the reversal of Creator and created in the minds of the children of the Reformation.

To say that you "have God" can be construed as saying that you own or hold in an subordinate role, the entity of God.

In your dreams. That is only an opinion, a baseless assumption at best.

I am not the one posting as if I own God.

That is the arrogance of Protestant thought - that they own or somehow control God for their own benefit. That is not a Catholic thought and never has been.

BWAHAHAHA!!!!

Once again, my point is proven.

573 posted on 11/02/2011 7:56:44 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Mad Dawg
Those who argue against us seem to maintain that the death of the body is the controlling reality and that it imposes inability to pray on the ζωη of the Spirit. This they call "good news."

The controlling entity is the Spirit.

The body is DEAD. It has no life. It cannot control.

We have passed from death unto life.

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

We are free in Christ.

John 8:31-32 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, "If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

John 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

574 posted on 11/02/2011 7:59:07 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: MarkBsnr
Can you not understand what you have posted? This tells us that Jesus has us, not vice versa. How arrogant do you have to be to claim that you possess God?

It tells us what it tells us...That we and God have each other...We are in Him and He is in us...

575 posted on 11/02/2011 7:59:39 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool
God can do any thing he wants to do...God could have put Mary on a Rolls Royce space shuttle in business class if he wanted to...

Well, gee, now Scripture doesn't say that didn't happen so why can't we believe it if we want?

576 posted on 11/02/2011 8:00:55 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear
>>To say that you "have God" can be construed as saying that you own or hold in an subordinate role, the entity of God.<<

Or to have an obligation to or have a relationship with. Do you have faith? Do you hold that in subordinate role? Did you say “to have and to hold” when you got married? Do you hold your wife in a subordinate role? Do you have faith in your church and is that subordinate to you? Or should I just take that you hadn’t thought that one through much other than to construe a contrary stance?

Hardly. God is the Creator of All. I object to the seemingly casual presumption of possession or else the rather startling presumption of Buddy Christ. My relationship with my wife is not comparable on any level with my relationship with God.

577 posted on 11/02/2011 8:01:34 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: metmom; Mad Dawg
"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ." Philippians 1:6.
578 posted on 11/02/2011 8:03:46 AM PDT by smvoice (Who the *#@! is Ivo of Chatre & why am I being accused of not linking to his quote?)
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To: smvoice; MarkBsnr

We can now invoke Godwin’s Law that the first to compare someone to a Nazi has conceded the argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law


579 posted on 11/02/2011 8:04:47 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; MarkBsnr

ooooops....;)


580 posted on 11/02/2011 8:06:47 AM PDT by smvoice (Who the *#@! is Ivo of Chatre & why am I being accused of not linking to his quote?)
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