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Reformation Day – and What Led Me To Back to Catholicism
The Catholic Thing ^ | 10/28/11 | Francis J. Beckwith

Posted on 10/28/2011 6:59:29 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: Jvette; metmom
****The Bible IS truth.****......The Bible is the inerrant word ABOUT TRUTH.....Jesus IS Truth.

JESUS IS THE WORD. "The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth " John1:14
3,162 posted on 11/20/2011 8:55:25 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Natural Law

I’m messing with email de-encryption from two people I correspond with. Very time-consuming.


3,163 posted on 11/20/2011 9:02:37 PM PST by Judith Anne (For rhe sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us, and on the whole world.)
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To: Judith Anne; smvoice
I informed everyone. You became upset. I forgive you.

Have no fear - you will not be called humble.

The LORD detests all the proud of heart. Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished. Prov 16:5
3,164 posted on 11/20/2011 9:04:03 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

*sigh*

Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead all souls to heaven, especially those most in need of Thy Mercy.


3,165 posted on 11/20/2011 9:13:01 PM PST by Judith Anne (For rhe sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us, and on the whole world.)
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To: metmom; smvoice
And they can’t figure out why people leave the Catholic church or aren’t interested in *swimming the Tiber* and coming back.

This is a good thread for any former catholic as a reminder to thank GOD for delivering them from the stench of catholicism. Never saw a group who detests truth more than those deceived by man made teachings. I praise God for HIS WORD!
3,166 posted on 11/20/2011 9:15:39 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Judith Anne

Amen!


3,167 posted on 11/20/2011 9:20:51 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; smvoice
Like watching a contortionist get stuck for a couple of hours.

It beats those who will truly be stuck for eternity. God's Word reigns.
3,168 posted on 11/20/2011 9:21:34 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Ah, so humble.

Right now, I’m in the frame of mind where I only have the greatest sympathy for what your world must be like.


3,169 posted on 11/20/2011 9:24:10 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: presently no screen name; smvoice
The last thing Satan wants us to do is know and believe God's word. It's the first thing he attacks. the second he can get someone to doubt God or misquote Him. he's won. It's all a truth battle.

Genesis 3:1 1Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God actually say,...

3,170 posted on 11/20/2011 9:25:31 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: D-fendr

I think, “how very sad.”


3,171 posted on 11/20/2011 9:26:47 PM PST by Judith Anne (For rhe sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us, and on the whole world.)
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To: presently no screen name; metmom; CynicalBear
AMEN!

"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are TRUE, whatsoever things are HONEST, whatsoever things are JUST, whatsoever things are PURE, whatsoever things are LOVELY, whatsoever things are of GOOD REPORT; if there be any VIRTUE, and if there be any PRAISE, think on these things. Those things which ye have both LEARNED, and RECEIVED, and HEARD, and SEEN IN ME DO: and the God of peace shall be with you." Philippians 4:8-9.

A guaranteed blood pressure lowerer for tonight...;)

3,172 posted on 11/20/2011 9:27:09 PM PST by smvoice ("What, compare Scripture with Scripture?..We'll have to double the Magisterium...")
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To: Judith Anne

Yes.

Very.


3,173 posted on 11/20/2011 9:27:41 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: smvoice; presently no screen name
Ephesians 6:10-20 10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. 12For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

13Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. 14Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace. 16In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one; 17and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, 18praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication.

To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints, 19and also for me, that words may be given to me in opening my mouth boldly to proclaim the mystery of the gospel, 20for which I am an ambassador in chains, that I may declare it boldly, as I ought to speak.

3,174 posted on 11/20/2011 9:39:47 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: D-fendr
Right now, I’m in the frame of mind where I only have the greatest sympathy for what your world must be like.

I can only imagine your sympathy since catholicsm knows nothing about walking in His blessings but only bondage. Some just get used to the shackles of deception and sympathized with those who are free 'in Christ'.

You stay where you are - it fits you. I'll continue my blessed walk on His narrow path while thanking and praising God for HIS WORD.

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it". Matt 7:13,14
3,175 posted on 11/20/2011 9:43:32 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: metmom; presently no screen name
Praise God for His Word! He KNOWS, and He COMFORTS, and He makes certain those who are His are there for each other. He is not mocked, nor will He allow those who are His to fight alone.

"Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein in thanksgiving." Col. 2:7.

3,176 posted on 11/20/2011 9:48:14 PM PST by smvoice ("What, compare Scripture with Scripture?..We'll have to double the Magisterium...")
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To: presently no screen name

Spare me from the *sympathy* of a Catholic. I’ve endured too much of that in my life.

I guess it all depends on how *sympathy* is defined.


3,177 posted on 11/20/2011 9:49:18 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: presently no screen name

I sympathize with those trapped in anger desparate for someone somewhere to release it on, with all the fury they imagine they are holding God’s might sword doing God’s work, as if they are God.

Tonight I do pray for them, for their healing, for their relief from the wounds and loneliness.

May God bless.


3,178 posted on 11/20/2011 9:57:22 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: smvoice
A guaranteed blood pressure lowerer for tonight

YES!! Amazing how God's Holy Spirit Inspired Word heals whatever needs help! What a God we serve - to equip us with EVERYTHING we need!

"My son, pay attention to what I say; listen closely to MY WORDS. Do not let them out of your sight, keep them within your heart; for they are life to those who find them and health to a man's whole body." Proverbs 4:20-22
3,179 posted on 11/20/2011 9:57:57 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Jvette; CynicalBear; metmom
It is ridiculous to suppose that they just came together and went through each of the thousands of writings and said, yes to this one and no to that one. There must have been some criteria which set apart those FEW which were actually chosen from the rest.

Of course it would be ridiculous to imagine they did eeny, meeny, miney, moe to come up with what is called the New Testament. They most certainly DID have criteria which set apart some writings from others, but it most certainly was not the leaders in the fourth century. The following link The Formation of the Canon of the New Testament by Dr. B. B. Warfield, is quite instructive and I hope you will go to the link and read the entire article. In it he says:

IN ORDER to obtain a correct understanding of what is called the formation of the Canon of the New Testament, it is necessary to begin by fixing very firmly in our minds one fact which is obvious enough when attention is once called to it. That is, that the Christian church did not require to form for itself the idea of a “ canon,” — or, as we should more commonly call it, of a “Bible,” — that is, of a collection of books given of God to be the authoritative rule of faith and practice. It inherited this idea from the Jewish church, along with the thing itself, the Jewish Scriptures, or the “ Canon of the Old Testament.” The church did not grow up by natural law: it was founded. And the authoritative teachers sent forth by Christ to found His church, carried with them, as their most precious possession, a body of divine Scriptures, which they imposed on the church that they founded as its code of law. No reader of the New Testament can need proof of this; on every page of that book is spread the evidence that from the very beginning the Old Testament was as cordially recognized as law by the Christian as by the Jew. The Christian church thus was never without a “Bible” or a “canon.”

But the Old Testament books were not the only ones which the apostles (by Christ’s own appointment the authoritative founders of the church) imposed upon the infant churches, as their authoritative rule of faith and practice. No more authority dwelt in the prophets of the old covenant than in themselves, the apostles, who had been “made sufficient as ministers of a new covenant “; for (as one of themselves argued) “if that which passeth away was with glory, much more that which remaineth is in glory.” Accordingly not only was the gospel they delivered, in their own estimation, itself a divine revelation, but it was also preached “in the Holy Ghost” (I Pet. i. 12); not merely the matter of it, but the very words in which it was clothed were “of the Holy Spirit” (I Cor. ii. 13). Their own commands were, therefore, of divine authority (I Thess. iv. 2), and their writings were the depository of these commands (II Thess. ii. 15). “If any man obeyeth not our word by this epistle,” says Paul to one church (II Thess. iii. 14), “note that man, that ye have no company with him.” To another he makes it the test of a Spirit-led man to recognize that what he was writing to them was “the commandments of the Lord” (I Cor. xiv. 37). Inevitably, such writings, making so awful a claim on their acceptance, were received by the infant churches as of a quality equal to that of the old “Bible “; placed alongside of its older books as an additional part of the one law of God; and read as such in their meetings for worship — a practice which moreover was required by the apostles (I Thess. v. 27; Col. iv. 16; Rev. 1. 3). In the apprehension, therefore, of the earliest churches, the “Scriptures” were not a closed but an increasing “canon.” Such they had been from the beginning, as they gradually grew in number from Moses to Malachi; and such they were to continue as long as there should remain among the churches “men of God who spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”

We say that this immediate placing of the new books — given the church under the seal of apostolic authority — among the Scriptures already established as such, was inevitable. It is also historically evinced from the very beginning. Thus the apostle Peter, writing in A.D. 68, speaks of Paul’s numerous letters not in contrast with the Scriptures, but as among the Scriptures and in contrast with “the other Scriptures” (II Pet. iii. 16) — that is, of course, those of the Old Testament. In like manner the apostle Paul combines, as if it were the most natural thing in the world, the book of Deuteronomy and the Gospel of Luke under the common head of “Scripture” (I Tim. v. 18): “For the Scripture saith, ‘Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn’ [Deut. xxv. 4]; and, ‘The laborer is worthy of his hire’” (Luke x. 7). The line of such quotations is never broken in Christian literature. Polycarp (c. 12) in A.D. 115 unites the Psalms and Ephesians in exactly similar manner: “In the sacred books, . . . as it is said in these Scriptures, ‘Be ye angry and sin not,’ and ‘Let not the sun go down upon your wrath.’” So, a few years later, the so-called second letter of Clement, after quoting Isaiah, adds (ii. 4): “And another Scripture, however, says, ‘I came not to call the righteous, but sinners’” — quoting from Matthew, a book which Barnabas (circa 97-106 A.D.) had already adduced as Scripture. After this such quotations are common.

What needs emphasis at present about these facts is that they obviously are not evidences of a gradually-heightening estimate of the New Testament books, originally received on a lower level and just beginning to be tentatively accounted Scripture; they are conclusive evidences rather of the estimation of the New Testament books from the very beginning as Scripture, and of their attachment as Scripture to the other Scriptures already in hand. The early Christians did not, then, first form a rival “canon” of “new books” which came only gradually to be accounted as of equal divinity and authority with the “old books”; they received new book after new book from the apostolical circle, as equally” Scripture “ with the old books, and added them one by one to the collection of old books as additional Scriptures, until at length the new books thus added were numerous enough to be looked upon as another section of the Scriptures.

3,180 posted on 11/20/2011 10:00:16 PM PST by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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