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Reformation Day – and What Led Me To Back to Catholicism
The Catholic Thing ^ | 10/28/11 | Francis J. Beckwith

Posted on 10/28/2011 6:59:29 AM PDT by markomalley

October 31 is only three days away. For Protestants, it is Reformation Day, the date in 1517 on which Martin Luther nailed his Ninety-Five Theses to that famous door in Wittenberg, Germany. Since I returned to the Catholic Church in April 2007, each year the commemoration has become a time of reflection about my own journey and the puzzles that led me back to the Church of my youth.

One of those puzzles was the relationship between the Church, Tradition, and the canon of Scripture. As a Protestant, I claimed to reject the normative role that Tradition plays in the development of Christian doctrine. But at times I seemed to rely on it. For example, on the content of the biblical canon – whether the Old Testament includes the deuterocanonical books (or “Apocrypha”), as the Catholic Church holds and Protestantism rejects. I would appeal to the exclusion of these books as canonical by the Jewish Council of Jamnia (A.D. 90-100) as well as doubts about those books raised by St. Jerome, translator of the Latin Vulgate, and a few other Church Fathers.

My reasoning, however, was extra-biblical. For it appealed to an authoritative leadership that has the power to recognize and certify books as canonical that were subsequently recognized as such by certain Fathers embedded in a tradition that, as a Protestant, I thought more authoritative than the tradition that certified what has come to be known as the Catholic canon. This latter tradition, rejected by Protestants, includes St. Augustine as well as the Council of Hippo (A.D. 393), the Third Council of Carthage (A.D. 397), the Fourth Council of Carthage (A.D. 419), and the Council of Florence (A.D. 1441).

But if, according to my Protestant self, a Jewish council and a few Church Fathers are the grounds on which I am justified in saying what is the proper scope of the Old Testament canon, then what of New Testament canonicity? So, ironically, given my Protestant understanding of ecclesiology, then the sort of authority and tradition that apparently provided me warrant to exclude the deuterocanonical books from Scripture – binding magisterial authority with historical continuity – is missing from the Church during the development of New Testament canonicity.

The Catholic Church, on the other hand, maintains that this magisterial authority was in fact present in the early Church and thus gave its leadership the power to recognize and fix the New Testament canon. So, ironically, the Protestant case for a deuterocanonical-absent Old Testament canon depends on Catholic intuitions about a tradition of magisterial authority.

This led to two other tensions. First, in defense of the Protestant Old Testament canon, I argued, as noted above, that although some of the Church’s leading theologians and several regional councils accepted what is known today as the Catholic canon, others disagreed and embraced what is known today as the Protestant canon. It soon became clear to me that this did not help my case, since by employing this argumentative strategy, I conceded the central point of Catholicism: the Church is logically prior to the Scriptures. That is, if the Church, until the Council of Florence’s ecumenical declaration in 1441, can live with a certain degree of ambiguity about the content of the Old Testament canon, that means that sola scriptura was never a fundamental principle of authentic Christianity.

After all, if Scripture alone applies to the Bible as a whole, then we cannot know to which particular collection of books this principle applies until the Bible’s content is settled. Thus, to concede an officially unsettled canon for Christianity’s first fifteen centuries seems to make the Catholic argument that sola scriptura was a sixteenth-century invention and, therefore, not an essential Christian doctrine.

Second, because the list of canonical books is itself not found in Scripture – as one can find the Ten Commandments or the names of Christ’s apostles – any such list, whether Protestant or Catholic, would be an item of extra-biblical theological knowledge. Take, for example, a portion of the revised and expanded Evangelical Theological Society statement of faith suggested (and eventually rejected by the membership) by two ETS members following my return to the Catholic Church. It states that, “this written word of God consists of the sixty-six books of the Old and New Testaments and is the supreme authority in all matters of belief and behavior.”

But the belief that the Bible consists only of sixty-six books is not a claim of Scripture, since one cannot find the list in it, but a claim about Scripture as a whole. That is, the whole has a property – i.e., “consisting of sixty-six books,” – that is not found in any of the parts. In other words, if the sixty-six books are the supreme authority on matters of belief, and the number of books is a belief, and one cannot find that belief in any of the books, then the belief that Scripture consists of sixty-six particular books is an extra-biblical belief, an item of theological knowledge that is prima facie non-biblical.

For the Catholic, this is not a problem, since the Bible is the book of the Church, and thus there is an organic unity between the fixing of the canon and the development of doctrine and Christian practice.

Although I am forever indebted to my Evangelical brethren for instilling and nurturing in me a deep love of Scripture, it was that love that eventually led me to the Church that had the authority to distinguish Scripture from other things.


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To: metmom

ROFL! The whole Pope thing built on one verse and they come up with a diatribe about not using portions of scripture? Oy!


2,581 posted on 11/17/2011 3:23:56 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: D-fendr; smvoice
Matthew 26:6-11 6 Now when Jesus was at Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, 7a woman came up to him with an alabaster flask of very expensive ointment, and she poured it on his head as he reclined at table. 8And when the disciples saw it, they were indignant, saying, "Why this waste? 9For this could have been sold for a large sum and given to the poor." 10But Jesus, aware of this, said to them, "Why do you trouble the woman? For she has done a beautiful thing to me. 11For you always have the poor with you, but you will not always have me.

Just wow. The money wasn't spent on the hungry and naked and poor and Jesus didn't condemn it.

2,582 posted on 11/17/2011 3:24:35 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; Jvette
Whatever happened to Abraham's Bosom, where all the righteous went before Christ's resurrection? It is empty now, because Christ emptied it when He went there and liberated those who righteous captives, taking them to heaven with Him when He ascended on high. (Mt. 12:40; Eph. 4:8-10). Jude 9 says Michael the archangel contended with the devil over Moses' body. The devil claimed his body, but God intervened and took the body, burying ti in the land of Moab (Dt. 34:5-6). If he has been resurrected, it had to be after the resurrection of Jesus who is the firstfruit of all that have died. Moses had to have been in soulish form in Matt. 17:1-8. Moses had to have been brought up from Abraham's Bosom (paradise below the earth). He had full consciousness and wore clothes of some kind between death and resurrection. As weird as that sounds, we don't know very much about the spirit world. ONly what God has revealed in His Word.

So, it seems it was Elijah from heaven, and Moses from Abraham's Bosom. My opinion only..

2,583 posted on 11/17/2011 3:24:46 PM PST by smvoice ("What, compare Scripture with Scripture?..We'll have to double the Magisterium...")
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To: TexConfederate1861; smvoice
“Smackvoice”

Hey, smvoice, can't you just feel the looovvve????

2,584 posted on 11/17/2011 3:26:09 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Judith Anne
"I am not impressed."

I have not boasted of my works, but since I actually believe they are necessary one can assume they exist. I do not proclaim my own Salvation either. I only pray that when I am judged by God He does not say "I am not impressed".

2,585 posted on 11/17/2011 3:29:31 PM PST by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: metmom

Kewl.

You can just care about yourself now.

Geez, you would think Christian Charity would not be something you’d dispute just in order to harmonize with a fellow nonCatholic.

BTW, how’s your conversion to Dispensationalism™ going?


2,586 posted on 11/17/2011 3:30:39 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: metmom; TexConfederate1861
I know...I'm feeling it more and more each day...lol!

I always say to myself, "now where in the Beatitudes can I find this "love" that is so mercifully and Christ-like given by those who say they imitate Christ? I've worn out my section of the Beatitudes looking for it. Between following the Beatitudes and the Commandments, you would THINK the love could not be contained by mere human effort. It's a real beacon to a lost world, I'll tell you that..;)

2,587 posted on 11/17/2011 3:33:01 PM PST by smvoice ("What, compare Scripture with Scripture?..We'll have to double the Magisterium...")
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To: D-fendr
"You can just care about yourself now."

If you want to see hypocrisy and confusion about what the entire Revealed Word really means just ask anyone of these anti-Catholics to comment on the life of Mother Teresa.

"Let us touch the dying, the poor, the lonely and the unwanted according to the graces we have received and let us not be ashamed or slow to do the humble work." - Mother Teresa

2,588 posted on 11/17/2011 3:41:45 PM PST by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: CynicalBear

Wrong! Built on the whole relationship Christ had with Peter and the other Apostles. You should read more than one verse at a time.


2,589 posted on 11/17/2011 3:46:32 PM PST by Judith Anne (For rhe sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us, and on the whole world.)
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To: Natural Law

I hate to see Mother Teresa brought up here, only to be profaned by the ignorant and hateful.


2,590 posted on 11/17/2011 3:54:00 PM PST by Judith Anne (For rhe sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us, and on the whole world.)
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To: Judith Anne
>> Built on the whole relationship Christ had with Peter and the other Apostles.<<

You mean like when Jesus told Peter to “get behind me Satan” or when He knew Peter would deny Him three times?

2,591 posted on 11/17/2011 4:00:15 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Judith Anne
>>I hate to see Mother Teresa brought up here, only to be profaned by the ignorant and hateful.<<

Don’t worry. Catholics surely wouldn’t profane Mother Teresa.

2,592 posted on 11/17/2011 4:04:33 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

I do pity you. Seriously.


2,593 posted on 11/17/2011 4:16:09 PM PST by Judith Anne (For rhe sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us, and on the whole world.)
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To: Natural Law
Jesus is so very much more than Scripture and Scripture is but a reflection of Him.

One can only get to KNOW Him through HIS Holy Spirit inspired Word. Never discount God's Word. It's not head knowledge but heart knowledge. The Holy Spirit gives more revelation on Scripture the deeper one goes. If one doesn't believe His Word as THE FINAL AUTHORITY - then one - not only doesn't KNOW HIM - but doesn't want to know Him. EVERY Scripture is important because HE gave it to us - and HE KNOWS BEST.

"Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'" Matt 7:23

Want to KNOW Jesus who IS The Word? One has to know The Word and plant it in one's heart. JESUS is THE WORD. Reminder: "Thus you nullify the Word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that." Mark 7:13
2,594 posted on 11/17/2011 4:43:18 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: metmom
Well metmom, you heard it here. Next time bring proof and your list of “Good Things I've Done”.

And no more of this, “Good. Now about those random verses about rocks and keys and remitting and binding sins.........”

It makes some people look like they're complaining about what they do themselves.

2,595 posted on 11/17/2011 4:48:19 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: presently no screen name
John 5:39-40 39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, 40yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

2,596 posted on 11/17/2011 5:05:27 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

AMEN and AMEN!!


2,597 posted on 11/17/2011 5:13:27 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: metmom

As you know, we grow into learning more and more about Jesus - It never ends! It goes deeper and deeper.


2,598 posted on 11/17/2011 5:17:14 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: boatbums

Well, at least they understand that Catholicism is a true heresy.


2,600 posted on 11/17/2011 5:43:51 PM PST by CynicalBear
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