Posted on 10/28/2011 6:59:29 AM PDT by markomalley
Of course not. No proof.
I’ve lost my place so if this is a duplicate forgive me.
CHRISTUS VINCIT
Christ King of Glory
Acclamations VIII Cent.
Ambrosian Chant (Variant)
Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!
Exaudi, Christe. Ecclesiae Sanctae Dei salus perpetua. Redemptor mundi, Tu illam
adjuva!
Christ Lord of glory, Christ Prince of nations, Christ our King of kings! Christ Jesus,
hear us. Perpetual safety and welfare to the Church of God. Redeemer, Savior. Assist
and strengthen her.
1. Sancta Maria: Tu illam adjuva!
O Mary blessed Mother. Assist and strengthen her.
2. Sancte Joseph: Tu illam adjuva!
Joseph holy guardian. Assist and strengthen her.
3. Sancte Michael Tu illam adjuva!
Blessed Michael patron Assist and strengthen her.
Optional (Sancte Patricii: Tu illam adjuva!)
Blessed Saint Patrick: Assist and strengthen her.
All repeat: Christus vincit! Christus regnat! Christus imperat!
Exaudi, Christe. Pio summo Pontifici et universali Papae vita! Salvator mundi, Tu illum
adjuva!
Christ Jesus hear us. Life and health and blessings to Pope Pius our Holy Father.
Redeemer Savior, Assist and strengthen him.
1. Sancte Petre, Tu illum adjuva! 1. Rex regum!
Blessed Peter, Assist and strengthen him. King of kings.
2. Sancte Paule, Tu illum adjuva! 2. Rex noster!
Blessed Paul, assist and strengthen him. Christ our King
3. Spes nostra!
Christ our hope.
Repeat: Christus Vincit! etc.
Gloria nostra, Misericordia nostra! Auxilium nostrum! Fortitudo nostra, Ar ma nostra
invictissima! Murus noster inexpugnabilis! Defensio et exaltatio nostra!
Lux, Via, et Vita nostra! Ipsi soli imperium, Laus et jubilatio per infinita saecula
saeculorum. Amen.
Jesus our glory, Fountain of grace and all mercy. Source of all our blessing. Defender
in battle, Strong arm of our God invincible. Our stronghold and our exaltation. Our
captain leader who has won our salvation.
Christ Jesus, our life and light eternal. To Him only is victory all praise and jubilation.
Through all the endless ages of eternity. Amen.
Tempora bona veniant! Pax Christi veniat! Redemptis Sanguine Christi: Feliciter!
Regnum Christi veniat! Deo Gratias! Amen.
Abundance of good things be ours. The peace of Christ be ours. Redeemed by the blood
of Jesus. Proclaim our joy. May His holy kingdom come. Praise be to our God Amen.
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You snore at an argument of silence about who you claim to be the most important Apostle who was head of the “church” who completely goes unmentioned yet you use a happenstance position on a list as evidence of superiority? Seriously?
You're in over your head with the Church Fathers,dear CB. You would do better to stick with your modernists!
Lets see what Church Fathers said..
by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre- eminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the apostolical tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere." Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:3:2 (A.D. 180). http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103103.htm
"And he says to him again after the resurrection, 'Feed my sheep.' It is on him that he builds the Church, and to him that he entrusts the sheep to feed. And although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single Chair, thus establishing by his own authority the source and hallmark of the (Church's) oneness. No doubt the others were all that Peter was, but a primacy is given to Peter, and it is (thus) made clear that there is but one flock which is to be fed by all the apostles in common accord. If a man does not hold fast to this oneness of Peter, does he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he deserts the Chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, has he still confidence that he is in the Church? This unity firmly should we hold and maintain, especially we bishops, presiding in the Church, in order that we may approve the episcopate itself to be the one and undivided." Cyprian, The Unity of the Church, 4-5 (A.D. 251-256).
That list that you cited, is extremely good historical evidence in favor of an established church in existance in antiquity.
It lists the apostles, (the 12), and then the Seventy. It gives an account for what they have done, and where they have served. It asserts that there were bishops all over the ancient world, and gives their pedigree.
So no, your only ‘retort’ is to argue, “well that’s not your church”? That’s not a very good argument there. That is, however, evidence of an organised and well developed church in the first 40 years of it’s existence.
So yeah, seriously. Your source actually confirms the teaching that Peter has primacy over the other apostles, and such primacy was known and understood by people at the time of hippolytus.
I think he means venereal, “of Venus”. :)
Not sure how that changes anything. Would that put you more closely correct or less then the RCC in your opinion.
>> Holy Tradition states that Peter was the first Bishop of Rome.<<
Pagans use “tradition” also. So that doesn’t impress me. We have been warned about the “traditions of men”. The problem is that there is no written record.
Well, lets see em.
"Pope Pelagius (556-60) talks of heretics separating themselves from the Apostolic Sees, that is, Rome, Jerusalem, Alexandria, plus Constantinople. In all the early writings of the hierarchy there is no mention of a special role for the Bishop of Rome, nor yet the special name of 'Pope'....Of the eighty of so heresies in the first six centuries, not one refers to the authority of the Bishop of Rome, not one is settled by the Bishop of Rome...No one attacks the [supreme] authority of the Roman pontiff, BECAUSE NO ONE HAS HEARD OF IT." -Peter de Rosa,Vicars of Christ: The Dark Side of the Papacy (Crown Publishers, 1988), pp.205-06.
Saint Malachy, Prophecies about 112 popes until the end of the world, the last five Popes
RATZINGER APPEARS TO FULFILL MALACHY PROPHECY [De Gloria Olivae]
Papal Prophecies - End of Days: Prophecies of SAINT MALACHY
Prophecy of St Malachy (with list of Popes)
The Prophecies of St. Malachy
Not sure why you send me that other than for you it means something special. And why you include the Latin is totally beyond me other than it seems you may think it’s somehow more “religious” or something. The oft repeated “chants” are mentioned in scripture also.
“Interesting. I wonder if the “Church Fathers” ever read THIS:”
Who wants to take this one? :)
That’s the type of stuff I find also. It seems the whole of the RCC hangs on tenuous threads of erroneously interpreted scripture and tortured attempts to read into something that isn’t there.
Of course it doesn’t matter because it would contradict your earlier statement and we cannot have that, can we?
"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do; for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." Mat. 6:7.
To my knowledge there is nothing that authenticates this writing from Pope Pelagius, but if he said such a thing it means he was ignorant of Church History.
So what we have here is a poorly educated in church history POPE?
What can I say that could possibly top that statement.
And that doesn't mean Peter was ever in Rome...
Peter was commissioned to preach to Jews...Paul was commissioned to preach to Gentiles...
Paul was directed by Jesus specifically to go to Rome...Peter was not...
Peter was headed East...Perhaps he got lost and woke up in Rome???
The Holy words of God speak a great deal about Paul being in Rome...And not one peep about your supposed first pope being there...
The roughly 200 years late there may be some indication that an idea had begun to take shape? Isn’t unanimous consent beginning to fall apart here? Still, even Cyprian keeps inserting phrases like “And although he assigns a like power to all the apostles” and “No doubt the others were all that Peter was” which certainly doesn’t give a definitive statement of leadership or headship does it. Cyprian’s point here seems to be more the unity of the church. His attempt to do that by injecting a rather weak supposition that Peter was leader certainly couldn’t be taken as conclusive or used as proof.
“”What can I say that could possibly top that statement.””
Before you go patting yourself on the back you should realize that many Pope’s never made a single infallible teaching on faith and morals.
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