Posted on 10/28/2011 6:59:29 AM PDT by markomalley
IOW, the whole house of cards comes tumbling down and some people are out of a job.
Nah, you still have your televangelists, megachurches, TBN, Prosperity Gospel, Rapture Books, Healer Caravans, “Send me a thousand dollars and God will send you three...” etc. etc.
No Cathedrals to be so PROUD of, no glory in men, or their efforts, or their "wisdom". Just the simplicity that is in Christ. All for God's glory. "That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus." Eph. 2:7.
That pretty much nails it.
Well, that’s no different, to be sure. That’s the problem with following men.
However it is being recognized....
It’s (Past) Time for a Charismatic Reformation
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2804843/posts
Congratulations on a Pyrrhic victory.
Some, well, a few, posters on here will attempt apologetics for almost everything; Calvinism, Arminianism, Universal Unitarianism, Dispensationalism, anti-Dispensationalism, likely Oneness Pentecostalism, Messianic Judaism, whatever, contradictions notwithstanding.
You've agreed you're both EXACTLY not Catholic.
Enjoy.
You may choose to not believe, but you may not choose to believe that it is made up. Either Paul was a lunatic, or he was given a commission by the risen Christ, which he fulfilled. And that was the formation of the church the body of Christ in the dispensation of the grace of God. Do with it as you will, but it doesn't change what God's Word of truth says.
Ah, you're exempt then. But you left off "fallible" in the formula.
And, alas, it seems Protestantism is not without its own danger of "the whole house of cards coming tumbling down and some people are out of a job."
But then consistency is so over-rated.
D-fender:Ah, you're exempt then. But you left off "fallible" in the formula.
*fallible men*. It's a bit redundant, don't you think.
It pretty much goes without saying. The only infallible man was Jesus.
I know. All the pieces fits so nicely together. As they do for Calvinism. And for Oneness Pentecostals. And for Messianic Jews. And for Unitarians.
You can take the pieces and make them fit so nicely and pick which resulting jigsaw strikes you as the best, most pleasing fit.
But that is not Christianity. It’s taking the Church’s book and getting your own meaning from it. Your meaning, your best fit, contradicts another. There is no quantitative standard of ‘best fit’ for Scripture; nor is ‘best fit’ the defining element of the Christian faith.
It is only an individual subjective standard of true meaning. This would be fine if we were discussing Moby Dick or watching Apocalypse Now and discussing what it means.
But this is not how the Christian faith is and has been transmitted and maintained through the centuries. Your teachers’ theology is less than two centuries old, some of the others I mentioned are from less than a century old. What new system will be “Christian” next year or the next decade? What new fit can be made from the same verses? Infinite.
You cannot have a Christian faith that is One, Holy and Universal and Eternal this way. Your teachers and what they have taught you are prima facia evidence of this.
Ah, positively Clintonian, you and your theology are off the hook again. :)
"And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved..."And these signs SHALL follow THEM THAT BELIEVE; In my name SHALL they cast out devils; they SHALL speak with new tongues; they SHALL take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it SHALL not hurt them; they SHALL lay hands on the sick, and they SHALL recover." Mark 16:15-18.
This says quite plainly that all who believe and are baptized SHALL do these things. Not just a few, it says ALL who believe. It does not say maybe, or should, or can, if you have enough faith. It does not say to pick out a few signs that fit your personality and let them be for you; it says ALL signs are for ALL who believe.
Or let's go a little simpler. When did you sell all you had and joined together with other believers and had all in common? When did you give alms?
Now, if you were truly following ALL of Christ's words, would you not be doing these very things He instructed you to do? I didn't think so. And yet, you choose not to follow Christ's revelations to Paul, for us, either. So you are following those things you choose to follow. Is that what Christ said to do? Either in the kingdom gospel or the gospel of the grace of God? I'll let you answer that one.
Oh, I BEG TO DIFFER.
"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling. One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Eph. 4:4-6.
My teacher, the Holy Spirit has revealed God's Word of truth. Once again, Ephesians gives you the answer. That would be one of Paul's Epistles. To the church the body of Christ, in the "But Now" of God's Word for the dispensation of the grace of God. A body of believers united by the grace of God in the finished work of Jesus Christ.
I’m far from following all of Christ’s words. This is my failing not Christ’s and why I pray for His mercy.
But my failing does not mean Christ’s teaching are wrong or no longer in effect.
Christ is Truth. This is fundamental Christian faith, it has no ‘sell by’ date.
Study those who do better than I in following Christ, study Mt. Athos for example, if you no longer believe what He taught is true.
My, and your, failures and weaknesses in no way make Christ’s words, ministry and being false or no longer in effect.
Honestly, in my opinion it only compounds, sublimates or makes a crutch out of our weakness to go the route you’ve chosen and give up on following Christ.
Egads, man, it's NOT the church's book.
It the God breathed inspired Word of God.
*** Bangs head on desk****
No wonder Catholics don't consider it authoritative.
Yeah, that's what the Calvinists, Unitarians, etc. etc. say too.
And you came up with Dispensationalism all on your own? No teachers, other than the Holy Spirit of course?
Sorry, this line doesn't even begin to address the point.
Another difference is Christians serve a 'Risen Savior'....he's alive...all other religions serve dead leaders or entities which aren't real...and never were.
Say, isn't that passage in Mark the one that Catholics like to appeal to to demand that water baptism is required for salvation, but then ignore when it comes to the rest of it?
The gift of God is free. Yup.
Ephesians 2:4-10
Romans 8:1-11
Colossians 3:3-4
So for you still, the misinterpreted words of Paul trump the words of Christ.
Absolutely I do. My point is that we do it. I don't see where you guys do.
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