Posted on 10/21/2011 7:26:41 PM PDT by hiho hiho
Over-sexualized.
Worship songs? No. Everything.
Ive been both a victim and a participant in the American cultural norm Scope out opportunities to rejoin comments with, Thats what she said.
(To be sure, the phrase was around long before the TV show The Office, but a certain Michael Scott character seemed to usher the phrase into a broad and sweeping cultural vernacular. Am I right?)
So now, it seems thousands of words and phrases are hijacked, and church gatherings are not immune to it either. Or, maybe its just me. It can be hilarious, dreadful, or just plain embarrassing. Recently, a few worship songs have sort of had their way with me on this, so to speak.
"Bride of Christ" by Marion Coltman (I thought it was entitled: "Jesus, keep your hands where we can see 'em") ...and it's all just a bit too much for me.
I didnt want to think it at the time, but the Casting Crowns song Your Love is Extravagant sounded just a little too much like a friends with benefits song. Golly, all you have to do is take the t off Christ, and you have a fine mess (in my head):
Your Love is Extravagant
Your love is extravagant Your friendship, it is intimate I feel like moving to the rhythm of Your grace Your fragrance is intoxicating in our secret place Your love is extravagant
Spread wide in the arms of Christ is the love that covers sin No greater love have I ever known You considered me a friend Capture my heart again
Spread wide in the arms of Christ is the love that covers sin No greater love have I ever known; You considered me a friend
Capture my heart again Your love is extravagant Your friendship, it is intimate
Dont get me wrong, Casting Crowns does so many great worship songs I really enjoy. This may be one your favorites, which is fine. I hope it creates a worshipful experience for you, and for everyone, but I get derailed.
Basically, if a worship song talks about touching, my mind wanders. Such as Kari Jobe song:
I wanna sit at your feet.
Drink from the cup in your hand.
Lay back against you and breath, here your heart beat
This love is so deep, its more than I can stand.
I melt in your peace, its overwhelming.
In his blog, Jon Acuff posted recently: How to make an entire audience deaf. Its a funny and accurate article about how words can ruin an audiences concentration. So many comments from readers that followed were of amusing and uproarious stories of double entendre and language malfunctions.
The fact is love is risky. God is risky Obviously risky and risqué has sort of been a fine line in songwriting. But, to be honest, I realize that love can often feel awkward as it gets emotionally deeper. When it starts to change and effect usand affect us. The awkwardness is part of the path to greater spiritual maturity. (In this case, Ill let you know for sure when I get there.)
Admittedly, the psalms that King David wrote got quite amatory, and for some it feels embarrassing. I can handle David getting up close and personal with God. Im fine with Song of Solomons sexy talk, and Davids passionate poem songs, but maybe in singing those things corporately, we confront those issues of intimacy differently than we do in our times of personal devotions, songs, or prayers. What do you think about it?
I think the challenge, for me, is a renewing of my mind a bit more, and praying for better ears to hear. Thank you for your patience with me, Lord.
Lastly, for all you songwriters out there, if youre writing something sweet to sing for Jesus, pleasefor medont put the words intimate, secret place, and rhythm too close together. (It can be a worship hijack for some of us, okay, for me.)
When was the last time you felt embarrassed/awkward at the worst time?
Homer still remembers when he and Marge used to make out to this hymn. Bart hands church goers lyrics and music to a fake hymn called “In The Garden of Eden” by I. Ron Butterfly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4g-wx2Y_wg
Ignore my above post. I can’t create a link. It was the Simpsons singing Inna Gadda da Vida in church.
I rememeber hearing that some Christian Music radio program directors judged the material on JPMs. As in Jesuses per minute. “Good tracks” had high JPMs, becuase if someone was moving through the dial there was a better chance they would hear the word “Jesus”, and the Christian rock fans would know that this station was for them. Otherwise they would flip on past, as the actual songs were normally so bad. Also a long stretch of no Jesus mentions might make some folks change the station, but if they heard the word they might linger on, even if the music stunk.
Don’t know if it’s true or not.
FReegards
Hymnwriters stayed away from the Song of Solomon for 2,000 years. Which is the point.
I’m glad that I’m not the only one bothered by this. Is God truly honored when we view our relationship with Him with imagery that borders on the erotic?
..you have never seen an angora goat. The have the most beautiful white wavy or curly hair of any animal. Silken to touch.
They also originated in the area around Turkey. Check out the pictures of some beautiful ones...I wish I had hair like that and they truly have hair not a fiber like wool.
Mohair...They get sheared twice a year. The OT speaks of the curtain in the temple being made of the finest goat hair....Cashmere is also from a goat but it a fiber that is combed from the animal..
The Song of Solomon is quite erotic, one speaking of all the love including physical that one feels toward their lover.. First time I read it I also felt a little embarrassed... Was use to reading westerns....:O) GG
Yes, that fits for one song that I think is embarrassing. It’s called “Father.” And I’ve heard it sung by a young female singer whose name escapes my memory.
Father I want to be close to You. You alone can understand me. Look inside my heart and find me.
Father I want to be close to You. You alone can satisfy me. Fill the hole that is inside me
I cry with a passionate voice. I long to feel Your intimate touch. It’s You I need so much. I’m empty without You. I am empty without You
Your love is extravagant Your friendship, it is intimate I feel like moving to the rhythm of Your grace Your fragrance is intoxicating in our secret place Your love is extravagant
Eeeech
Exclusive psalmody looks better and better.
One of the great current tragedies is that all the churches seem to be instituting this “contemporary worship” stuff. Makes my ears bleed.
The wife and I are looking *still* for a “traditional” worship service.
This is part of the continued feminizing of churches. With guitar strumming Casanovas strumming love songs — real males go elsewhere.
Criteria for Discerning the Usefulness of Praise SongsDetermining the truth of what someone is saying is impossible if the person isn't actually saying anything. This is the great difficulty of assessing praise songs commonly used in the church. The nature of modern praise songs makes them difficult to make them useful judgments regarding their fitness for use in the church's worship. Often the songs are written in sentence fragments, thought and phrases rather than a regular sentence with an subject, verb and object. Simple questions are often unanswerable: Who is this talking about? What does this mean? What is the relationship between one phrase and another?
When I was a child we would play a game on the 4th of July. Some smarty would take a tub of Vaseline and slather up a watermelon and toss it into the swimming pool. Dozens of kids would try to get it out of the water. Anytime you thought you had a hold of the melon it would squirt out of your arms. This is something of the difficulty in making a clear judgment about such ambiguous lyrics. (Of course this ambiguity is a big part of the problem.)
What is needed, then, is an objective method of judging the usefulness of a praise song for edifying the Lord's church and bringing the comfort of the forgiveness of sins. The following criteria are offered for use in considering the usefulness of praise songs.
Pastor Bryan Wolfmueller
20081. Jesus
Is Jesus mentioned?
Yes | No
If yes, is it in name or concept?2. Clarity
Is the song clear? Does it use sentences (with subject, verb, object) or sentence fragments?
10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Very clear Obscure3. Mysticism (Subjectivity vs Objectivity)
Is the song about the things that God has done (objective), or about my own emotions and experiences (subjective)? Does the song repeat the same phrases over and over in an hypnotic mantra?
10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Objective Subjective4. Law and Gospel
Does the song proclaim the law in its sternness and the Gospel in its sweetness? (The Gospel is the promise of the forgiveness of all sins won for us through Jesus' death on the cross.) Are law and Gospel rightly divided (and not mixed up)? Is the law presented as something that we can do, or does it show us our sins? Is the Gospel conditional (based on my actions, decisions, acceptance)?
Yes No I can't tell5. Is there any explicit false teaching?
5. Is there any explicit false teaching?
I have a problem with this — so non-explicit false teaching is acceptable? A little heresy is okay?
I’m disgusted with the whole Disneyfication of the Mass.
Im disgusted with the whole Disneyfication of the Mass.
Actually, Disney would do it much better. Now “Mickey Mouse” might be a more discriptive term.
There's no antidote to "Jesus is my boyfriend" crud quite as effective as a male choir chanting psalm texts in Latin. Besides, the propers of the Mass are part of the missal, and are supposed to be sung, not ignored in favor of singing "Glory and Praise to Our God" or "Here I am, Lord" for the 1,697th time.
a male choir chanting psalm texts in Latin.
Just for grins, because I like this a lot and like to point people to it: acapella congregational singing, Psalm 102. Enjoy.
"An evening shadow are my days,
like grass I wither soon away,
but you Jehovah sit enthroned,
forever your memorial..."
5. Is there any explicit false teaching?I have a problem with this so non-explicit false teaching is acceptable? A little heresy is okay?
I don't think that's a necessary conclusion from what the author said.
Very pretty! Sounds almost Russian Orthodox.
A form of editing, known for often falling into Adaptation Decay, that renders a story "safe" for juvenile audiences (or the parents thereof) by removing undesirable plot elements or unpleasant historical facts, adding Broadway-style production numbers, and reworking whatever else is necessary for a Lighter and Softer Happily Ever After Ending.
Preferably amplified, with the Marshall stacks set to "11".
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