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On Being Embarrassed When Worship Songs Seem Sexual
The Blog of Lisa Colón DeLay ^ | October 19, 2011 | Lisa Colón DeLay

Posted on 10/21/2011 7:26:41 PM PDT by hiho hiho

Over-sexualized.

Worship songs? No. Everything.

I’ve been both a victim and a participant in the American cultural norm…Scope out opportunities to rejoin comments with, “That’s what she said.”

(To be sure, the phrase was around long before the TV show “The Office”, but a certain Michael Scott character seemed to usher the phrase into a broad and sweeping cultural vernacular. Am I right?)

So now, it seems thousands of words and phrases are hijacked, and church gatherings are not immune to it either. Or, maybe it’s just me. It can be hilarious, dreadful, or just plain embarrassing. Recently, a few worship songs have sort of had their way with me on this, so to speak.

"Bride of Christ" by Marion Coltman (I thought it was entitled: "Jesus, keep your hands where we can see 'em") ...and it's all just a bit too much for me.

I didn’t want to think it at the time, but the Casting Crowns song “Your Love is Extravagant” sounded just a little too much like a “friends with benefits” song. Golly, all you have to do is take the “t” off Christ, and you have a fine mess (in my head):

Your Love is Extravagant

Your love is extravagant Your friendship, it is intimate I feel like moving to the rhythm of Your grace Your fragrance is intoxicating in our secret place Your love is extravagant

Spread wide in the arms of Christ is the love that covers sin No greater love have I ever known You considered me a friend Capture my heart again

Spread wide in the arms of Christ is the love that covers sin No greater love have I ever known; You considered me a friend

Capture my heart again Your love is extravagant Your friendship, it is intimate

Don’t get me wrong, Casting Crowns does so many great worship songs I really enjoy. This may be one your favorites, which is fine. I hope it creates a worshipful experience for you, and for everyone, but I get derailed.

Basically, if a worship song talks about touching, my mind wanders. Such as Kari Jobe song:

I wanna sit at your feet.

Drink from the cup in your hand.

Lay back against you and breath, here your heart beat

This love is so deep, it’s more than I can stand.

I melt in your peace, it’s overwhelming.

In his blog, Jon Acuff posted recently: How to make an entire audience deaf. It’s a funny and accurate article about how words can ruin an audience’s concentration. So many comments from readers that followed were of amusing and uproarious stories of double entendre and language malfunctions.

The fact is love is risky. God is risky…Obviously risky and risqué has sort of been a fine line in songwriting. But, to be honest, I realize that love can often feel awkward as it gets emotionally deeper. When it starts to change and effect us–and affect us. The awkwardness is part of the path to greater spiritual maturity. (In this case, I’ll let you know for sure when I get there.)

Admittedly, the psalms that King David wrote got quite amatory, and for some it feels embarrassing. I can handle David getting up close and personal with God. I’m fine with Song of Solomon’s sexy talk, and David’s passionate poem songs, but maybe in singing those things corporately, we confront those issues of intimacy differently than we do in our times of personal devotions, songs, or prayers. What do you think about it?

I think the challenge, for me, is a renewing of my mind a bit more, and praying for better ears to hear. Thank you for your patience with me, Lord.

Lastly, for all you songwriters out there, if you’re writing something sweet to sing for Jesus, please–for me–don’t put the words “intimate,” “secret place,” and “rhythm” too close together. (It can be a “worship hijack” for some of us, okay, for me.)

When was the last time you felt embarrassed/awkward at the worst time?


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To: hiho hiho

Homer still remembers when he and Marge used to make out to this hymn. Bart hands church goers lyrics and music to a fake hymn called “In The Garden of Eden” by I. Ron Butterfly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4g-wx2Y_wg


21 posted on 10/21/2011 8:39:40 PM PDT by tlb
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To: America_Right

Ignore my above post. I can’t create a link. It was the Simpsons singing Inna Gadda da Vida in church.


22 posted on 10/21/2011 8:53:46 PM PDT by America_Right (Beat 0bama With a CAIN 2012)
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To: DariusBane

I rememeber hearing that some Christian Music radio program directors judged the material on JPMs. As in Jesuses per minute. “Good tracks” had high JPMs, becuase if someone was moving through the dial there was a better chance they would hear the word “Jesus”, and the Christian rock fans would know that this station was for them. Otherwise they would flip on past, as the actual songs were normally so bad. Also a long stretch of no Jesus mentions might make some folks change the station, but if they heard the word they might linger on, even if the music stunk.

Don’t know if it’s true or not.

FReegards


23 posted on 10/21/2011 9:24:33 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Godzilla; driftdiver
Then stay away from Song of Solomon

Hymnwriters stayed away from the Song of Solomon for 2,000 years. Which is the point.

24 posted on 10/21/2011 9:41:51 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Of the declared candidates: (1) Perry, (2) Cain. I'll happily vote for either if he's the nominee.)
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To: hiho hiho

I’m glad that I’m not the only one bothered by this. Is God truly honored when we view our relationship with Him with imagery that borders on the erotic?


25 posted on 10/21/2011 9:43:57 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Of the declared candidates: (1) Perry, (2) Cain. I'll happily vote for either if he's the nominee.)
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To: Godzilla
Your hair is like a flock of goats...

..you have never seen an angora goat. The have the most beautiful white wavy or curly hair of any animal. Silken to touch.

They also originated in the area around Turkey. Check out the pictures of some beautiful ones...I wish I had hair like that and they truly have hair not a fiber like wool.

Mohair...They get sheared twice a year. The OT speaks of the curtain in the temple being made of the finest goat hair....Cashmere is also from a goat but it a fiber that is combed from the animal..

The Song of Solomon is quite erotic, one speaking of all the love including physical that one feels toward their lover.. First time I read it I also felt a little embarrassed... Was use to reading westerns....:O) GG

26 posted on 10/21/2011 11:16:01 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: sauropod

Yes, that fits for one song that I think is embarrassing. It’s called “Father.” And I’ve heard it sung by a young female singer whose name escapes my memory.

Father I want to be close to You. You alone can understand me. Look inside my heart and find me.

Father I want to be close to You. You alone can satisfy me. Fill the hole that is inside me

I cry with a passionate voice. I long to feel Your intimate touch. It’s You I need so much. I’m empty without You. I am empty without You


27 posted on 10/22/2011 12:26:45 AM PDT by MarilynBr
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To: hiho hiho
Your love is extravagant Your friendship, it is intimate I feel like moving to the rhythm of Your grace Your fragrance is intoxicating in our secret place Your love is extravagant

Eeeech

Exclusive psalmody looks better and better.

28 posted on 10/22/2011 4:36:47 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: DariusBane

One of the great current tragedies is that all the churches seem to be instituting this “contemporary worship” stuff. Makes my ears bleed.

The wife and I are looking *still* for a “traditional” worship service.


29 posted on 10/22/2011 5:18:34 AM PDT by sauropod (William Kristol does NOT choose my presidential candidate!)
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To: sauropod

This is part of the continued feminizing of churches. With guitar strumming Casanovas strumming love songs — real males go elsewhere.


30 posted on 10/22/2011 6:15:01 AM PDT by hiho hiho
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To: hiho hiho
For your contemplation, edification and use, Table Talk Radio's Rev. Brian Wolfmuller's "praise song cruncher":
Criteria for Discerning the Usefulness of Praise Songs

Determining the truth of what someone is saying is impossible if the person isn't actually saying anything. This is the great difficulty of assessing praise songs commonly used in the church. The nature of modern praise songs makes them difficult to make them useful judgments regarding their fitness for use in the church's worship. Often the songs are written in sentence fragments, thought and phrases rather than a regular sentence with an subject, verb and object. Simple questions are often unanswerable: “Who is this talking about?” “What does this mean?” “What is the relationship between one phrase and another?”

When I was a child we would play a game on the 4th of July. Some smarty would take a tub of Vaseline and slather up a watermelon and toss it into the swimming pool. Dozens of kids would try to get it out of the water. Anytime you thought you had a hold of the melon it would squirt out of your arms. This is something of the difficulty in making a clear judgment about such ambiguous lyrics. (Of course this ambiguity is a big part of the problem.)

What is needed, then, is an objective method of judging the usefulness of a praise song for edifying the Lord's church and bringing the comfort of the forgiveness of sins. The following criteria are offered for use in considering the usefulness of praise songs.

Pastor Bryan Wolfmueller
2008

1. Jesus
“Is Jesus mentioned?”
Yes | No
If yes, is it in name or concept?

2. Clarity
Is the song clear? Does it use sentences (with subject, verb, object) or sentence fragments?
10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Very clear Obscure

3. Mysticism (Subjectivity vs Objectivity)
Is the song about the things that God has done (objective), or about my own emotions and experiences (subjective)? Does the song repeat the same phrases over and over in an hypnotic mantra?
10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Objective Subjective

4. Law and Gospel
Does the song proclaim the law in its sternness and the Gospel in its sweetness? (The Gospel is the promise of the forgiveness of all sins won for us through Jesus' death on the cross.) Are law and Gospel rightly divided (and not mixed up)? Is the law presented as something that we can do, or does it show us our sins? Is the Gospel conditional (based on my actions, decisions, acceptance)?
Yes No I can't tell

5. Is there any explicit false teaching?


31 posted on 10/22/2011 6:57:27 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Lee N. Field

5. Is there any explicit false teaching?

I have a problem with this — so non-explicit false teaching is acceptable? A little heresy is okay?


32 posted on 10/22/2011 9:32:54 AM PDT by hiho hiho
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To: hiho hiho

I’m disgusted with the whole Disneyfication of the Mass.


33 posted on 10/22/2011 1:05:52 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Ever wake up next to someone and you can't remember their name, or how you met, or why they're dead?)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I’m disgusted with the whole Disneyfication of the Mass.

Actually, Disney would do it much better. Now “Mickey Mouse” might be a more discriptive term.


34 posted on 10/22/2011 1:11:58 PM PDT by hiho hiho
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To: All
If you're Catholic and sick of sappy music at church, see if you can get a schola cantorum going in your parish. Learning to sing chant is not that hard (though it helps to have someone to teach you to read the notation), and there's loads of good chant music in English and Latin available for free on the Internet.

There's no antidote to "Jesus is my boyfriend" crud quite as effective as a male choir chanting psalm texts in Latin. Besides, the propers of the Mass are part of the missal, and are supposed to be sung, not ignored in favor of singing "Glory and Praise to Our God" or "Here I am, Lord" for the 1,697th time.

35 posted on 10/22/2011 1:28:13 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Campion
a male choir chanting psalm texts in Latin.

Just for grins, because I like this a lot and like to point people to it: acapella congregational singing, Psalm 102. Enjoy.

"An evening shadow are my days,
like grass I wither soon away,
but you Jehovah sit enthroned,
forever your memorial..."

36 posted on 10/22/2011 1:48:42 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: hiho hiho
5. Is there any explicit false teaching?

I have a problem with this — so non-explicit false teaching is acceptable? A little heresy is okay?

I don't think that's a necessary conclusion from what the author said.

37 posted on 10/22/2011 1:52:18 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Lee N. Field

Very pretty! Sounds almost Russian Orthodox.


38 posted on 10/22/2011 2:13:12 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: hiho hiho

Disneyfication

...it was much earlier even than that when most people forgot that that very oldest stories are, sooner or later, about blood. Later on they took the blood out to make the stories more acceptable to children, or at least to the people who had to read them to children rather than children themselves (who, on the whole, are quite keen on blood provided it's being shed by the deserving), and then wondered where the stories went.
Terry Pratchett, Hogfather

A form of editing, known for often falling into Adaptation Decay, that renders a story "safe" for juvenile audiences (or the parents thereof) by removing undesirable plot elements or unpleasant historical facts, adding Broadway-style production numbers, and reworking whatever else is necessary for a Lighter and Softer Happily Ever After Ending.


39 posted on 10/22/2011 4:37:39 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Ever wake up next to someone and you can't remember their name, or how you met, or why they're dead?)
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To: hiho hiho
I love guitar music.

Preferably amplified, with the Marshall stacks set to "11".

;-)


40 posted on 10/22/2011 4:58:59 PM PDT by sauropod (William Kristol does NOT choose my presidential candidate!)
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