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To: Dutchboy88

Self-determination???? Not in the Catholic Church. Pelegianism and semi-pelegianism were rejected a few years ago if I remember correctly. I teach spiritual theology, using a text by Fr. Garrigou Lagrange (who directed JP II’s doctoral dissertation)—he is pretty well as establishment as you can get within the Church. It is spelled out quite clearly that there is a continual stream of grace from God that we can cooperate with or not. If one is cooperating with grace, that is not self-determination, and if one isn’t cooperating with grace, one isn’t headed in the right determination.


20 posted on 10/10/2011 1:53:51 PM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Hieronymus; djrakowski
"It is spelled out quite clearly that there is a continual stream of grace from God that we can cooperate with or not. If one is cooperating with grace, that is not self-determination, and if one isn’t cooperating with grace, one isn’t headed in the right determination."

This is precisely the kind of semi-pelagiansim that infects the big organizations, most particularly Rome. Of course it is self-determination, my FRiend. If you decide to say "no" to Christ, then you have determined the outcome. If you decide to say "yes", and follow the seven sacraments, you will be saved...according to the Roman Catholic Church. Men determine their fates. The doublespeak does not change your "gospel" into the Gospel. And, this is exactly what I was cautioning djrakowski about.

22 posted on 10/10/2011 2:10:48 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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