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To: MarkBsnr; metmom; wmfights; count-your-change; CynicalBear; bkaycee
Your post 634 is very telling, Mark. Let's start with Paulianity and those who were condemned during the first millennium. I ask again, condemned by whom? Rome?

Who would have been followers of Paul during the first millennium?

"Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." 1 Cor. 11:1.

Why?

"It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and REVELATIONS of the Lord." 2 Cor. 12:1 (Revelations-plural).

"And lest I should be exalted above measure through THE ABUNDANCE OF REVELATIONS, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh the messenger of Satan to buffet me, Lest I should be exalted above measure." 2 Cor. 12:7. (Revelations-plural).

Why all the revelations from the rise Christ to Paul?

"Howbeit for THIS CAUSE I obtained mercy, that IN ME FIRST JESUS CHRIST might shew forth all longsuffering, FOR A PATTERN TO THEM WHICH SHOULD HEREAFTER BELIEVE ON HIM TO LIFE EVERLASTING." 1 Tim. 1:16.

For WHAT cause did Paul obtain mercy? "According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed TO MY TRUST." 1 Tim. 1:11.

So there were believers who followed Paul as he followed Christ's revelations, Paul being the pattern to those who would hereafter believe on Christ.

Are these the "Paulianity heretics" who were condemned during the first millennium? For following God's word concerning His commission of Paul?

Seems there were two groups of people. Those who followed Christ by following Paul's revelations from Christ. And those who set about to "corrupt the word of God". 2 Cor. 2:17. How exactly would they corrupt the word of God? Call followers of Paul heretics? Change God's word into a lie by denying the revelations by Christ Jesus to Paul to us? Attempt to build a religious system that denied God's work through the Apostle Paul in favor of a system that depended on adding to the Kingdom of God commissioned to Peter and the 11 by denying the commission given to Paul for the formation of the Church the Body of Christ? And which would have been closer in time to the actual truth? Those who followed Christ by following the commission He gave Paul for a pattern to those of us who would hereafter believe? Or those who had to deny Christ's revelations to Paul, try to squeeze one commission into another in order to form a religious system of works and doctrines and traditions of men?

Put you Pauline snippet hunting gear on. He was followed as he followed Christ. By DIRECT REVELATIONS FROM CHRIST.

"Heretic" should be used with caution. There was a group of heretics operating. They still are to this day. They deny God's word and exchange it for a lie.

909 posted on 09/05/2011 6:33:01 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: smvoice; MarkBsnr; metmom; wmfights; count-your-change; CynicalBear; bkaycee
Those who followed Christ by following the commission He gave Paul for a pattern to those of us who would hereafter believe? Or those who had to deny Christ's revelations to Paul, try to squeeze one commission into another in order to form a religious system of works and doctrines and traditions of men?

Very well said.

I think most don't understand what the Council at Jerusalem was all about. There were one group of devout Jewish believers who insisted that all believers be circumcised (follow the law and traditions of Judaism). They called themselves the followers of The Way and continued in Temple worship. The other group that Paul had been given the revelation for, (the Gentiles), believed that Faith Alone in Christ Alone was all that was needed. Peter to his everlasting credit recognized the truth from his own experiences when the Holy Spirit came upon Gentiles he preached to. The second group were called Christians.

I know which group I am a member in and why. I pray that those who follow "The Way" open their eyes and see the Truth.

920 posted on 09/05/2011 6:59:25 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: smvoice
Your post 634 is very telling, Mark. Let's start with Paulianity and those who were condemned during the first millennium. I ask again, condemned by whom? Rome?

Ask again? I would hazard that you know the answer already, since the issue of the Councils has been regularly discussed. Or else Google will suffice. You do not find my replies sufficient? Find your own, but be warned. Ensure that they are accurate and not simply pleasing to your biases.

Are these the "Paulianity heretics" who were condemned during the first millennium? For following God's word concerning His commission of Paul?

I gave you three examples. There are more. Have at them.

"Heretic" should be used with caution. There was a group of heretics operating. They still are to this day. They deny God's word and exchange it for a lie.

Heretic should be limited to those whom the Church has declared heretic, I agree. I will accept your words of caution.

Put you Pauline snippet hunting gear on. He was followed as he followed Christ. By DIRECT REVELATIONS FROM CHRIST.

As I have repeatedly reiterated, Paul is not the problem. Paul is the greatest evangelizer that the Church has ever had. It is those who would twist his words into an antiGospel that we contend with.

Are you one of those?

924 posted on 09/05/2011 7:04:41 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move m to do so.)
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