[Iscool]

SO, if somebody says, “We don’t need to ask for ANY intercession but that of Jesus,” and then asks for others to pray for him, there is an apparent inconsistency WHETHER OR NOT the person asked has died.

Naw...This is where your argument crashes and burns...

I agree with Metmom that we are not interested in any attempt at intercession since it's unbiblical...

Ya see, none of you guys are asking Mary and the saints to pray with you...You are asking them to pray FOR you...That's what intercession is...

When I as Metmom to pray for me, I am not asking for a mediator...I don't need one other than Jesus...There is none other than Jesus...

And the definition of intercede in the Webster Dictionary is:

: to intervene between parties with a view to reconciling differences : mediate

I don't need a mediator...I need a prayer partner...

[metmom]

Ya see, none of you guys are asking Mary and the saints to pray with you...You are asking them to pray FOR you...That's what intercession is...

Where else it crashes and burns is that soooo many of those prayers are asking Mary and the saints to do things FOR them that only God alone can do.

It's not so much praying to the Saints to have the Saints pray FOR the pray-ers , as much as it is praying TO the Saints to do things for pray-ers and grant pray-ers the requests asked of them.

[Mad Dawg]

Gee, it crashed and burned in so many other places according to your side ... which no doubt accounts for the changing of subject.

So every timesomenon-Catholicsays “pray for me,” what they really mean is “pray with me”? That’s the argument now? That’s the crash and burn du jour?

You yourself say you ask metmom to pray for you, and then say you don’t mean it?

And people complain about how WE use language?

Now for some facts. When I ask a saint in heaven to pray for me,I also address petitions on the same matter to God. So what, exactly, is the difference as regards intercession?