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To: Mad Dawg

‘Well, “you guys” as in “all you who argue against the intercession of the saints.”’

Just curious now.....

I seem to be missing the connection here.

What does that have to do with what we think of the Incarnation.....?


4,398 posted on 09/20/2011 6:29:19 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
The Saviour has appeared. Appeared. He had an appearance.

He had flesh. He ate, he pooped.

Matter, Stuff, was rendered able to enshrine the presence of God bodily. Jesus was God made visible. Had the technology existed, one could have taken a photograph -- of "God's bodikins"!

That being so, how could it be wrong to look at an image of him and sigh or weep as one looks at an image of one's beloved? My beloved condescended to provide me with an appearance to sigh and weep over.

Lewis puts it nicely. Before Jesus we had Βιος, the Bios life of Biology. Now some other life is offered, Ζωη, Zoe, REAL life at last! He came that we might have it abundantly.

And he came by the power of the Holy Spirit. And in that Spirit our old moribund life, Βιος, dies and HIS life, Ζωη, is transplanted into us.

For reasons He has not shared with me, our Father has ordained that star differs from star in glory. But all are stars.

So some members of his body are obvious in their splendor, but all are members, all have drunk of the same Spirit -- HIS Spirit.

It is His Spirit. Sharing in it,we share in His work. The gift is not merely that we cling to His hem and thus are swept into glory -- though that's entirely true. A higher glory is granted, that by His Grace and in His Spirit we may share in His Work!

So, as He is the premier Intercessor, He shares with the blessed and holy, with you and me who are blessed and holy by His designation, his intercessory work.

That, in a nutshell, is what the Incarnation has to do with the intercession of the saints.

4,405 posted on 09/20/2011 7:18:43 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: metmom
The Saviour has appeared. Appeared. He had an appearance.

He had flesh. He ate, he pooped.

Matter, Stuff, was rendered able to enshrine the presence of God bodily. Jesus was God made visible. Had the technology existed, one could have taken a photograph -- of "God's bodikins"!

That being so, how could it be wrong to look at an image of him and sigh or weep as one looks at an image of one's beloved? My beloved condescended to provide me with an appearance to sigh and weep over.

Lewis puts it nicely. Before Jesus we had Βιος, the Bios life of Biology. Now some other life is offered, Ζωη, Zoe, REAL life at last! He came that we might have it abundantly.

And he came by the power of the Holy Spirit. And in that Spirit our old moribund life, Βιος, dies and HIS life, Ζωη, is transplanted into us.

For reasons He has not shared with me, our Father has ordained that star differs from star in glory. But all are stars.

So some members of his body are obvious in their splendor, but all are members, all have drunk of the same Spirit -- HIS Spirit.

It is His Spirit. Sharing in it,we share in His work. The gift is not merely that we cling to His hem and thus are swept into glory -- though that's entirely true. A higher glory is granted, that by His Grace and in His Spirit we may share in His Work!

So, as He is the premier Intercessor, He shares with the blessed and holy, with you and me who are blessed and holy by His designation, his intercessory work.

That, in a nutshell, is what the Incarnation has to do with the intercession of the saints.

4,407 posted on 09/20/2011 7:25:02 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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