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To: stonehouse01; Mad Dawg
>>We have not covered Maccabees and purgatory<<

Purgatory or Grace Jesus was sent to release those held captive in Sheol. He held the keys of Sheol and released the faithful who died before He became the final sacrifice.

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me, to preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed; (Luke 4:18)

Paul also talks about those held captive in Sheol. They were taken with Christ and led them with Him.

“Therefore He says: When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts to men. Now this, “He ascended” – what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.” (Ephesians 4:8-10)

Jesus also told the thief on the cross that he would go with Him into paradise (Sheol).

“And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” (Luke 23:43)

After Jesus death and resurrection believers no longer go to the place called Sheol but go immediately to heaven to be with Jesus.

2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

The concept of purgatory indicates a debt that needs to be paid. Christ paid that debt. For someone to assume that guilt is to step away from the grace of God.

Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

God imputes righteousness without works.

Romans 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

We obtain that righteousness while here on earth, not after we die.

Jesus was made sin for us.

2 Corinthians 5: 21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Why would anyone reject what Jesus did for us and try to do it themselves when we are told that’s impossible? We know that we already have righteousness through faith.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

So it’s impossible to please God without faith, and faith already gives us the righteousness that is required by Him why would anyone reject God’s freely given righteousness to once again return to the law of works which we know doesn’t even please Him?

On the cross Jesus last words were “it is finished”.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

In the Greek, the phrase, “it is finished”, is written as one word – “tetelestai”. In english that means “paid in full”. By claiming that people go to purgatory to either pay for their sins or have someone else pay for them they are calling Jesus a liar.

“Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ” (Romans 8:1), 1 Corinthians 3:15 is talking about the fact that since we are no longer condemned we will not stand before Christ in judgment of sin but rather in judgment of our service to Him for our rewards

If we are justified by faith we will not only escape damnation but in Hebrews we are told that God will not even remember our sins.

Hebrews 10:17 Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.

We are also told in Hebrews that once we accept Jesus sacrifice there is no more offering for sin. Not on this earth and not in some place called purgatory.

Hebrews 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

4,051 posted on 09/18/2011 2:22:02 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

Yes purgatory exists.

I repeat - the Lord opened the Gates - he went to hell (*Sheol) and released the faithful.

There are no sinners in Heaven.

We are all sinners - we must be purged.


4,057 posted on 09/18/2011 2:40:02 PM PDT by stonehouse01
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To: CynicalBear
Just getting around to reading this post, CB, and I can't find one word with which I disagree. I don't know you and you don't know me. We have probably never even met, nor may we ever meet this side of glory. I doubt we even attend the same faith “denomination” or have the same backgrounds. So, so much for the everybody insisting every “Protestant” has his own interpretation of Scripture. Reading your words speaking truth to the gospel of our salvation delivered to us nearly 2000 years ago by those who our Lord hand-picked to say what HE wanted them to say and preserved by his hand all these many years STILL touched my heart. Thank you so much for your post. All glory to God!
4,094 posted on 09/18/2011 7:47:21 PM PDT by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us.)
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