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"For by one SPIRIT are we all baptized into one body..."1 Cor. 12:13. It is the Holy Spirit baptizing us into the Body of Christ, not water baptism.

"There is ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling. One Lord, One faith, ONE BAPTISM, One God and Father of all, who is above all and through all, and in you all." Eph. 4:4-6.

Which baptism do you think he is referring to here? The baptism by the Holy Spirit into the Body of Christ, or water? Because there cannot be two. There is ONE>

LOL, you truly don’t know do you? You have decided on YOPIOS and that’s it. Forget what the Bible teaches us because you have decided you are your own pope.

So what church do you go to? Is it a denomination we would recognize? Is it a mom and pop down the street? Does your church have a creed? What is it? Can you direct me to your church’s website?

What does your church believe and teach? What part of the Bible do you believe in? Is Paul your replacement of Jesus?

So many questions, will you answer these?.

I very MUCH agree. Think about when some get baptized with water in the ritual, in many cases it is when they are infants and totally unable to make ANY kind of confession of faith. Yet, here we have some who will insist that that baby is "born again" just by that outward act. That is no more Scripturally accurate a belief than thinking a baby who isn't baptized and dies in childhood goes to hell. Without the saving faith in Jesus Christ, getting baptized every day of the week will have no effect.

Water baptism DOES have its place in the Christian's life but it is not of itself that grants salvation. To be baptized after coming to saving faith in Jesus Christ is to be a "confession before men" that we are following Jesus Christ. It happens after faith is exercised and is NOT the actual Spirit baptism that occurs the moment one becomes born again. I do not understand how this very Scriptural doctrine ever got so perverted from its true meaning, but it seems like the major tenets of the faith are the ones that get clobbered the most and misleads so many people. I can't help but see the enemy of mens souls hand in this masquerading as an angel of light.

Circularity again, IMHO. If one assumes that the Spirit does not baptize by means of water, why then one finds that water Baptism and Spirit baptism are different.

When you cook, do you use heat or a stove?