[Natural Law]

"It looks like they don't even consider her *co-* but rather mediatrix. No need for Jesus then, is there?"

Are you trying to be deceitful or just being sloppy? Because anyone sincerely interested in discussing the truth would have presented the ENTIRE position of the Church. The Catechism references Lumen gentium 62, with respect to the term mediatrix, which says:

"Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked by the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix, and Mediatrix. This, however, is to be so understood that it neither takes away from nor adds anything to the dignity and efficaciousness of Christ the one Mediator."

"For no creature could ever be counted as equal with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer. Just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by the ministers and by the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is really communicated in different ways to His creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source.

The Church does not hesitate to profess this subordinate role of Mary. It knows it through unfailing experience of it and commends it to the hearts of the faithful, so that encouraged by this maternal help they may the more intimately adhere to the Mediator and Redeemer.

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It’s the *asterisk* dictionary of RCC word meanings striking again. Ask a question, get an asterisk answer. Quote a Catechism, get an asterisk response. Nothing is ever just as it simply means.

[HossB86]

"however, is to be so understood that it neither takes away from nor adds anything to the dignity and efficaciousness of Christ the one Mediator."

Then why "invoke" her at ALL? Oddly, this quote continues in what appears to be a contradiction:

"as the one goodness of God is really communicated in different ways to His creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source."

Remember that verse? There is ONE mediator...." -- that EXCLUDES any sharing by definition. So.... which is it? Looks like it's still an issue of contradiction on the part of the Roman Catholic Church's flawed "tradition."

Hoss

[Iscool]

The Church does not hesitate to profess this subordinate role of Mary. It knows it through unfailing experience of it and commends it to the hearts of the faithful, so that encouraged by this maternal help they may the more intimately adhere to the Mediator and Redeemer.

Since this is NOT contained withing the catechism, it is meaningless then, isn't it...That's what you guys tell us constantly...