[smvoice]

"The Blessed Virgin Mary is to be called Queen not only on account of her divine motherhood but also because by the will of God she had a great part in the work of our salvation...In this work of redemption the blessed Virgin Mary was closely associated with her Christ..Just as Christ, because he redeemed us, is by a special title our King and Lord, so too is Blessed Mary, our Queen and our Mistress, because of the unique way in which she co-operated in our redemption. She provided her very substance for his body, she offered him willingly for us, and she took a unique part in our salvation by desiring it, praying for it, and so obtaining it..."- Ad Coeli Reginam. Pope Pius XII.

Now call me suspicious, but that sounds an awful lot like Co-redeemer, meaning Co-operating in our redemption and by praying for our salvation, obtaining our salvation. Not a "with", but an "equal". That's my opinion, anyway.

[metmom]

That is how it reads.

Now, whether it means what it says is simply a matter of the allegiance of the person to whom you’re talking.

[Mad Dawg]

the unique way in which she co-operated in our redemption.
(1)She provided her very substance for his body,
(2) she offered him willingly for us,
(3)and she took a unique part in our salvation by
(3a) desiring it, (3b) praying for it, and so (3c) obtaining it..."

Again, we take Col 1:24 to imply that there IS a way that we can co-operate or contribute to Christ's redemptive work. I think THAT's the humongo theological hurdle/disagreement. For MOI, once we can accept what I take Col 1:24 to suggest, Mary's contribution seems evident.

Is that clearer? I'm not asking if you agree (ho ho ho), I'm asking if you 'get' the claim and the manner of its making.

[Iscool]

Now call me suspicious, but that sounds an awful lot like Co-redeemer, meaning Co-operating in our redemption and by praying for our salvation, obtaining our salvation. Not a "with", but an "equal". That's my opinion, anyway.

I agree...

"The Blessed Virgin Mary is to be called Queen not only on account of her divine motherhood but also because by the will of God she had a great part in the work of our salvation...

If Jesus however, had been accepted by the Jews as their Messiah, we Gentiles as Christians wouldn't exist...And that would have been Mary's fault as well...

So why wasn't Mary hung on a cross beside Jesus...

So if that's true with Mary, it must be true with every Mother concering her children...If your son goes to jail, you go with him...