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To: bronx2; daniel1212
Your subjective article replete with agenda driven purposes has no credibility. That is why you were told to study objective history written by known historians who present unbiased historical analysis.

It appears as if you have failed to even read the article at the link. It is QUITE well documented and is just as, if not more so, credible as any "objective" - read Catholic - sources could be seeing as the article INCLUDES the very same writings from the Early Church "Fathers" that may be used to support whatever "agenda" you seem to prefer.

You say you TOLD Daniel to "study objective history". I wonder if you held yourself to the same standard, did you? Tell me, what or who do you consider "objective" sources for the first millennium after Christ? I'll wager it is the same theologians quoted in this article, seeing as real objective - meaning NOT Catholic and censured - documentation may not have survived the many "purges" instituted by the same hierarchy.

No, you could not have read the article very thoroughly at all, because if you had, you would not have posted the uneducated fiction about the formation of the canon of Scripture nor would you have expressed the FICTION that all objective historians agreed on the results of Hippo and Carthage and Alexandria. I know because none of those "councils" did unanimously agree nor did even those who participated at Trent. Daniel is hardly the one misinformed about the Bible's formation. Let me know the link to your own studied and objective treatise about this, won't you. I promise I'll read it.

1,866 posted on 09/07/2011 11:45:41 PM PDT by boatbums ( God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
Appearances can be deceiving and in this case clearly demonstrate your flawed assumption. Your criteria for "Well Documented" leaves much to be desired and attests to an untrained eye in judging intellectual matters .

Once again it is not sufficient to just include these Church Fathers , one must have the requisite educational skills to interpret these sources which takes rigorous scholastic skills The sources quoted in these threads by your type come from bible schools whose academic standards have been found wanting. Your ilk on this forum merely cut and paste sources from questionable scholastic sources, invariably presented out of context.

I have read enough of these second rate agenda driven sites on the Internet and their published works, to understand their intellectual and spiritual bankruptcy.

You need to immerse yourself in the study of biblical linguists and spend years under scholars to effect an intellectual level which allows for proper discernment. Attending and/or relying on some bible college does not meet this rigorous standard.

As an alternative to in depth study , you need to read objective history which is found in libraries, not some amateur Internet site which purports to present scholarly materials.

Attending a community college would be a start at honing interpretative skills and exposing yourself to scholarly materials to discern fact from fiction, a feat apparently found lacking in your response.

God Bless

1,901 posted on 09/08/2011 6:08:40 AM PDT by bronx2 (while Jesus is the Alpha /Omega He has given us rituals which you reject to obtain the graces as to)
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To: boatbums; johngrace; Alamo-Girl; Mad Dawg; Amityschild; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Lera; ...
No, you could not have read the article very thoroughly at all, because if you had, you would not have posted the uneducated fiction about the formation of the canon of Scripture nor would you have expressed the FICTION that all objective historians agreed on the results of Hippo and Carthage and Alexandria.

I know because none of those "councils" did unanimously agree nor did even those who participated at Trent. Daniel is hardly the one misinformed about the Bible's formation. Let me know the link to your own studied and objective treatise about this, won't you. I promise I'll read it.

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However,
I have SOME compassion for such folks.

When one's entire values construct system, sociological home and security are at risk of utter collapse by the Holy Spirit's Breath of Truth,

circle the wagons mentalities abound.

And, of course, the enemy of all our souls is right handy with a long list of deceptions and lies to keep HIS house of cards system as unscathed as possible in the minds and lives of his RELIGIOUS SYSTEM victims.

It's just more than a little frightful concerning such victims, that few seem to have the faintest realization about the times we live in . . . about the clash of the enemy's systems with GOD ALMIGHTY, GOD'S SPIRIT, GOD'S POWER, GOD'S TRUTH.

Many are far more vulnerable to being swept up in the GREAT DECEPTION of the END TIMES that Christ was so starkly firm about--more vulnerable than they seem to have any clue about whatsoever. THAT grieves me enormously.

I know that I can never, by clever argument or reason, sway many at all--Mad Dawg's graciousness and reasoning aside.

I know that few to none will ever respect my personal experiences until it is near or likely too late.

I do have some faint hope that on occasion, here and there, one individual . . . and over there another individual . . . will be reminded, by Holy Spirit, at a critical decision point in the chaos and super drama of the END TIMES . . . some of my vividly finger flung absurdities and suddenly REALIZE which side of the critical decision GOD ALMIGHTY AND HIS TRUTH are on. I'm trusting against lots of odds, that GOD'S SPIRIT IS ABLE AND WILL use my feeble flawed effors to rescue some from the flames at critical future points and moments of these increasingly unprecedented dramatic times.

As God made abundantly clear to me many decades ago, HE CREATED ME more than a little off the wall FOR HIS PURPOSES. And HE WILL NOT FAIL in fulfilling HIS PURPOSES WITH ME. He is extremely faithful in fulfilling HIS PROMISES--to ISRAEL and to all those HE MAKES PROMISES TO.

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.
BLESSED BE THE WORD OF THE LORD.
BLESSED BE THE WAYS OF THE LORD.
BLESSED BE THE WILL OF THE LORD.

1,935 posted on 09/08/2011 8:30:18 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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