Yes, I do believe that to say May is in heaven “in body” the same as Jesus or those who were raised at Jesus death is unbiblical. There is no Biblical justification to believe that Mary is any different then any other mortal who dies today whose body has not been resurrected.
>> The Trinity, the doctrine and the word Trinity are not explicitly to be found in Scripture though the doctrine is completely Scriptural.<<
Who told you that? It most definitely is in scripture. Here is only a small portion of what is in scripture to prove it.
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
>> God is One in Three Persons, and this is called the Trinity, please post it.<<
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
>>and it was defined by the Church.<<
No, it was “defined” in scripture.
You said: >>Most Christians celebrate the Lord’s Day on Sunday, the day of the Resurrection. That comes straight from the Catholic Church and if you meet on Sunday and not on Saturday, then you are following a doctrine of the Church.<<
Then you said: >>Again, it is Scriptural but not in Scriptures.<<
Nope, it is not scriptural. And no I don’t follow the doctrine of the “Church” as you so proudly espouse the RCC to be. There is no scriptural authority to claim Sunday to be the Sabbath or the “Lords Day”. All days are “the day of our Lord”. The Jewish Sabbath was the seventh day and has never changed. Romans 14:5 “One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” Your “Church” likes its rituals and rules but being Biblically base not so much.
>>Does Israel bear testimony to Jesus or is it Christians who do this?<<
During the last 3 ½ years of the Tribulation the 144,000 out of Israel do indeed “bear testimony” of Jesus as Messiah.
>>And you cannot gloss over that the woman bears a male child.<<
Of course not. Jesus was Jewish after all.
>>And does Mary not flee to Egypt with Joseph and Jesus to escape the persecution of Herrod? <<
But there was no flood which the earth swallowed up during their time in Egypt.
Revelation 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
But we can easily deduce how long they were there.
Matthew 2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: 15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
>> Do you know how long they were there?<<
It was “until the death of Herod” but there are disagreements on exactly when that was. It doesn’t matter however because if Revelation was actually talking about Mary we know that it would have been exactly 3 ½ years. But that doesn’t fit either. We have to go back to Daniels prophesy of the 70th week. It’s that 7 year period that Revelation is talking about split into two 3 ½ year periods. The last 3 ½ years (thousand two hundred and threescore days) are when the Jews “the woman” are protected in the “wilderness”.
The woman in Revelation cannot possibly be talking specifically about Mary.
I said we would disagree as to interpretations of Scripture and what is implicit in Scripture, i.e. Scriptural and what is explicit, i.e. specifically stated in Scripture.
I am not surprised that you would yet reject Mary being body and soul in heaven. It falls completely in line with your belief that she is do different than anyone else. Yet, God found her different from anyone else, so different that He gave to her His Only Begotten Son to bear.
“My soul doth magnify the Lord, for He has done great things for me.”
“How is that the Mother of my Lord should come to me?”
She was hardly no different than any other mortal and it is only pride that would lead someone to say she is.
Enough said. We will agree only when the Holy Spirit leads you to accept the truth.
Again with the Trinity. Yes, there are Scripture that support the doctrine of God as three distinct persons. It is not clear as you might like to believe however. Heresies and misconceptions of the doctrine abound and have nearly from the beginning. The formal doctrine was declared by the Church at the Council of Chalcedon and all Christians believe the doctrine as it was defined there.
Deny all you want, it doesn’t change the facts.
Again, nearly every Christian worships on Sunday,and it is called the Lord’s Day after John’s Revelation. Say what you like, that Christians meet on Sunday to worship and break bread is Scriptural. And that nearly every Christian adheres to this is because of the Church. YOU may not chose to do such, but millions of Christians do and it is one thing the “reformers” kept, but not the only thing.
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread,... Acts 20:7
and Paul tells the Corintians, 16 1 With regard to the collection in favor of the saints, follow the rules that I gave to the churches of Galatia. 2 Every Sunday, let each of you put aside what you are able to spare, so that no collection need be made when I come.
Christians met on Sunday in Paul’s time and he tells them it is best to make their donations for the church then. And so collections are taken in church services, ALL churches which hold their worship on Sunday take collections.
The new Christians still went to temple though. But, we are never told in Scripture when that practice stopped, but we know it did and Sunday was the day Christians met and worshiped the Lord.
Deny all you like, but those are the facts.
As for Revelation and the Woman. There is much debate about her and what that passage means. No one seems to agree. Has it happened already, when will it happen if it hasn’t.
Talk of the Rapture, talk of the Rapture being absolutely impossible or non Scriptural. I can see why there is so much confusion. No one agrees. Some are looking to literal interpretation, as you do regarding the wilderness and the flood and some say it is all symbol.
So, I will not try to wade into such a morass.
I cannot know what is to come and that is okay with me. Jesus said no one knows the hour except the Father.
I stand by Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant, as the woman spoken of in Genesis and as the Woman clothed with the sun. All describe her.
Since neither protestants nor Catholics or nearly anyone that I can see can agree on what it all means following that, I will leave that to the scholars.
On this alone, the woman in Revelations, I will have to admit that I am not sure what to believe. And you may make of that whatever you like.