My Faith: Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), from Catholic to Muslim

CNN ^ | 9/1/11 | Chris Welch

[Judith Anne]

Find out where you are in God's word, and become an effective workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Tim. 2:15.

[Judith Anne]

Where have you been? Hebrews 13.

[smvoice]

According to God's word.

"If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is GIVEN ME to you-ward: how that BY REVELATION He MADE KNOWN UNTO ME, the mystery..." Eph. 3:2,3,5,6,9.

We know Paul wasn't saved until Acts Chapter 9, so the Dispensation of Grace could NOT have started before then. What dispensation was before the dispensation of Grace? The dispensation of the Law.

[smvoice]

Where have YOU been? How can this be a commandment of Paul when it cannot even be established that PAUL WROTE IT. That's what we've been talking about for 2 hours now. Don't give me Scripture from Hebrews asking me what Paul meant.

Otherwise the conversation is going well. :0)

[Natural Law]

"We are living not in the Dispensation of the Law age, we are living in the Dispensation of the Grace of God age."

Dispensatrionalism is a man made 19th century construct that has even less merit than the 16th century constructs of the Reformation. It is a credible as Tarot cards.

[CynicalBear]

>>That only He Judges and that you don't get to proclaim your own salvation before He does?<<

You don’t believe what scripture says?

1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal lifethat believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

"My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one" (John 10: 27-30).

Romans 10:13. Let us also be secure in knowing that "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved"

It’s been decided and is assured. To state otherwise is to deny the very words of Jesus.

>>You might have a strange attraction to menstrual pads<<

Do you really need to use pejoratives? I’ve noticed you do that rather often. Is it because you are insecure in your positions and feel the need to attempt to demean the person you are speaking to? It doesn’t work. IMO it demeans you and the positions you take.

>> Continue on with your fixation of menstrual blood.<<

Twice in one post! How juvenile.

[Judith Anne]

We know Paul wasn't saved until Acts Chapter 9, so the Dispensation of Grace could NOT have started before then.

NOW I know why the protestants cast Mary aside. They do it for Paul, author of the "Dispensation of Grace." >p>PS, where does Paul say that the "Dispensation of Grace starts with him? Or where does ANY scripture say that? Because that sounds like you're substituting a crazed, afflicted celibate male for the Bles sed Virgin Mother of God. And you say Catholics monkey with Scripture! Another thing: The dispensation of Grace could NOT have started before Acts 9? That's just flat out offensive to God. What can you be thinking? I have to believe that God will hold the author of THAT statement accountable.

[smvoice]

Yes it was a "man made 19th century construct" and that's why Paul spoke of it in Eph. 1:10; 3:2, Colossians 1:25, 1 Cor. 9:17.

64 A.D. Yep, that's pretty close to the 19th century....

[Natural Law]

"What the Catholic Church is guilty of is NOT following Scripture, but holding tradition and doctrines of men as equally authoritative to God’s word."

Tradition only explains, clarifies, and augments Scripture, filling in the blanks and connecting the dots. It resolves apparent conflicts. It never contradicts Scripture, ever.

[smvoice]

Did you not read Eph. 3 where Paul stated the Dispensation of the Grace of God was given to him?

Look, I don't mind answering questions, but if you're just going to ignore the answers and Scriptures I'm giving you, then we are both just wasting our time. If you ask a question, I give you a Scripture, and you ask the question again, then that tells me you haven't read the Scripture I gave you. That's not studying the Bible. That's just arguing for argument's sake.

[Iscool]

Once again, your post is full of fail. I await the Judge's decision. I don't claim to make it for Him. You have, many times.

Silly man...The judge has already made the decision for Christians...I only acknowledge it...

Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

If you are one of the sheep, you have eternal life right now...

Those who wait to see if their works were good enough to get them to heaven are not one of the sheep and will find out that their works could never have been good enough...They will be cast into outer darkness...

Jesus died for that very reason...Because your works will never be good enough...

[Natural Law]

"64 A.D. Yep, that's pretty close to the 19th century...."

Thank you for pointing out the flaws of YOPIS. Those versus do not affirm the Dispensational ages you allege.

[Judith Anne]

The Dispensation of the grace of God was given to Paul? I don’t think so. The Dispensation of the Grace of God was given to Christ, not Paul, and I see nothing in that Chapter that says otherwise, unless you are playing a translation game here. If you are quibbling translations, then you might as well pick up the magesterium, it will be more accurate.

[smvoice]

Are you kidding me? "It never contradicts Scripture, ever."

Seeing that there is barely ANYTHING in Scripture to substantiate the RCCs teachings and doctrines, I would have to say that you are right. The RCC does not contradict Scripture, it doesn't USE IT AT ALL. With the exception of people's names, nothing else even resembles Scripture.

[stonehouse01]

Given human nature - usually there are strings attached.

This is a straw man argument though.

The cross is a free and unconditional gift - Thank you Lord.

No one is saying the gift doesn’t exist.

Because we have intellect/ free will / reason / we could fail.

All of these questions about earning the gift have already occurred on good Friday by Our Lord.

[CynicalBear]

But I wasn’t addressing RnMomof7 nor do I need to compare the level of whatever. If a poster uses a pejoratives in a post to me attempting to somehow either demoralize or for whatever reason I’m not likely to end it with a comment like “but it wasn’t as bad as so and so” to somehow indicate that if it’s not as bad it must be ok.

[bronx2]

You have no probative evidence to offer

I identified independent source material to legitimize my 30000+ contention (Pub 78,F990 and attendant analysis) all available under FOIA but you are unable or unwilling to refute said documents.

The Burden of Proof shifted to you and you were unable to counter my assertions of at least 30000 discrete entities

Case closed. the 30000 + plus remains.

[smvoice]

It's about DISPENSATIONS, NL. I don't believe you actually read those Scriptures, as they CLEARLY spell out DISPENSATION. I left out one just in case you came back thinking you were about to score big...Eph. 3:2.

You are hoisting yourself on your own petard in regard to Scripture.

[smvoice]

Hey, Judith Anne. God said it, not me. It’s God’s word. Take it up with Him, if you don’t want to read His word as He inspired men to write it down.