Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.
But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.
“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.
“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”
Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.
But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.
“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”
It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”
(Excerpt) Read more at religion.blogs.cnn.com ...
I know how it works. When there's a protestant dogpile, it's hard to keep track of who you want to bite and who you can't stand the taste of.
Please let me go, JA. PLEASE. I BEG you. Don’t be willing to perform corporal works of mercy with me. Actually now that I think about it, I never knew you DID that. Oh, and I didn’t print your name, as you printed smvoice, in your post. That was directed to me fer sure. I have no idea just how many people you are unwilling to work beside. There could be one. There could be thousands. Millions. “Nobody knows de’ trouble...”
Really? That’s you way to engage in adult debate on things having to do with scripture? Interesting.
LL. Good point.
I would say that the "equal with" sense is a subset of the more general "with" sense. In any event, I was just showing how the word came up when somebody asked, oh heck I forget, something about the Latin or something that led me to refer to the Latin derivation.
The Latin meaning of "co-" would, for me, trump modern English usage, because it's a Latin word.
FWIW here's one thing I got when I googled
'"co" Latin prefix meaning etymology'
The 'Latin' source for English 'prefixes' is usually "cum," which means "with" as a preposition (thus magna cum laude), and can have several nuances as a prefix such as 'together,' 'combined,' or similar senses that indicate a connection or completion. Greek is not the same language as Latin. I am unaware of any 'co' root word, but Indo-European linguists may be able to help on that one....In any event, I'll take the position that it can mean all the things that "with" can mean, including "equal with". But to show that it means "equal with" in our use of the word "coredemptrix" is the job of the prosecution, because we'd fervently deny that she would be equal to Jesus in the redeeming work.co- is a shortened form of the prefix com-. There are other forms depending on the following sound, for example con- before 'g' as in congress or 's' as in constitute, col- before 'l' as in colleague, cor- before 'r' as in corrupt, and so on. These all derive from a Proto-Indo-European root *kom- meaning "beside, near, by" which also shows up in the German prefix ge-. here
ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
THX TONS for your kind reply.
In any case I am taking it as a personal remark (which is patently untrue) and not responding.
You go to an English dictionary for a definition of a Latin prefix used in a Latin word?
I freely admit that I might be mistaken, but I researched this puppy.
I think your beef would be that “coredeemer” is a bad translation of the Latin coredemptor or coredemptrix. TO that I would say, guilty. “Consolation” in English means something much soft3er than “consolatio”in Latin, but we have a history of simply importing words or of just making insignificant morphological changes (like unitas -> unity, consolation -> consolation, redemptor -> redeemer)
Then I get over it and over myself. I suggest you try it sometime.
Have a nice day.
Every Wednesday, my parish serves lunch for anyone who comes, young, old, rich, poor, anybody. The other churches in town do the same, on other days of the week.
It’s a hot meal with salad and bread, and really tasty. We have some cooks who used to own restaurants. I peel potatoes, chop salad, wash tables, serve dessert, clean the kitchen and wash the pots. I also clean vegetables for take home.
The poor in my town eat as well as they wish to, one meal per day, as much as they want, whole families come. We also hand out food from the pantry as well, to all comers. One retired guy makes the rounds for economy’s sake. No one goes home empty.
You mentioned that I printed your screen name. Do you want to ping the mod, or tell your friends to? There are only three people I am unwilling to work with. Are all your questions answered now, or do you want to make some more demands.
You’re damned right I’m biased. Biased toward the one true Judeo-Christian God and His Word as recorded in the KJV Holy Bible with no additions, updates or deletions. Anyone who cannot live with that is more than welcome to post elsewhere.
Amen.
I don’t know who Judy is. I did watch “Leave it to Beaver” a few times.
MD, your comment: “co = prefix meaning ‘with’”, is more than a bit misleading due to it’s incompleteness.
Co does mean ‘with’ or ‘together’ but in the sense of sharing a thing as in two people producing a book being “co-authors” or more than one person in SHARED ownership being “co-owners”.
Sitting beside a driver may mean we are co-passengers but I would NOT be a co-driver and attempts to be so might well end badly.
GREAT POINTS.
The tattle-tale, evidently. Refers to hitting the abuse button.
"Are you a heretic?" is not making it personal. "You are a heretic" is making it personal.
Ah. Third grade group dynamics.
Tra la.
No problem! :)
Yep.
All catholics are secular humanists like Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi who despise G-d. That is only true if:
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
See, this is where you seem to go off the tracks, Judith Anne. I never demanded anything of you. Yet your last post asks me if I want to make some MORE demands. As if I had already demanded anything from. I pleaded and begged you. But I didn’t demand. Now, you sound like a perfectly helpful person in your community. But say, some people want two meals per day. Is that a rule that can be broken? And are you the one who tells them they are breaking the rules by asking for more than is allowed. Do you have any idea what I’m trying to get at here? Because we are definitely on different planes. I admire your hard work, dedication, and tenacity. But others have the same qualities. And they may not be Catholic. To dismiss them on a regular basis as haters of Catholics or too mean to care about is about as wrong as a person can get. And with that comes the back and forth insults. Have a nice day. smvoice
We are obviously not Latin speakers so using the term in other than its English usage amongst English speakers would require some preparatory explanation or note that you are attaching a personal useage to the term.
Think of how you use the words ‘vulgar, villa, pagan, let’ for example and how they once had a quite different sense. Yet you would make an exception for “co”? For what reason and by what logic?
” But to show that it means “equal with” in our use of the word “coredemptrix” is the job of the prosecution, because we'd fervently deny that she would be equal to Jesus in the redeeming work.”
Not at all! If you say I'm a pagan it is hardly up to me to show the term means anything other than its common modern English usage whatever you believe or intend for the word to mean or how you might apply it. And if you do not misunderstanding of your usage is hardly the fault of the hearer.
Having a jargon in usage within a group is common enough but it cannot be expected that others accept the usages peculiar to that group without explanation.
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