Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.
But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.
“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.
“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”
Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.
But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.
“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”
It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”
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Protestants are the ultimate cafeteria Catholics.
Oh, it was SEW Complicaked! Be fruitful. Multiply. Fill the earth and subdue it. Don’t eat from that tree there. They didn’t have smart phones. No wonder they messed up! I’m helpless w/o my crackberry!
You got that right.
What did Mary say that was false?When she thought He was crazy or the 3 days at the temple?
I think both times show a lack of Faith. Is that something less than "full of grace"?
BTW I think Chalcedon is two natures (and I'm too tired to find out what that word is) in one hypostasis. There's KIND of an anlogy but at a lower level, if that makes sense.
I think that Muslims exploit the anger and disenfranchisement that many blacks in prison feel. It is what the Muslims do.
I am not sure how one counteracts the appeal to the wounded nature of many of these men in prison.
Christians offer them love and forgiveness, but if they feel righteous in their anger, those are things they may not want.
But, Christianity also says they are responsible for themselves and must make the changes needed to be a productive part of society.
Victimology is a potent lure especially to those who do not see an easier way to explain why they have ended up where they are.
They see themselves as empowered by the brotherhood of Islam rather than pawns in a power struggle.
My game as you call it is the bible, the written word of God...And it proves your religion wrong...You can't answer a single biblical question posed to you...
Some of us have passed on from the practice run to the real one in Matthew 28.
Naw, you guys are still practicing and you won't make the team at the rate you are going...
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
All things Jesus taught you??? Heal the lepers, raise the dead...
You're just fooling yourself...But you don't fool those who believe what Jesus said...You don't do any of that stuff that Jesus said to do in the Gospels...
LOLOL...Hey, thanks for the honest answer...I never thought I'd see one of you guys admit it...
But one of your partners in crime says it is NOT your church...It belongs to Christ (and which christ is that?)...
Just as Christ's human nature had no father, His divine nature had no mother.
And I know. Off we go to the Councils for our answers to the tradition of calling Mary the Mother of God.
In the meantime, I'm saying the RCC cannot have it both ways. If she is the mother of God, she must be present in the Eucharist, when the ACTUAL BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST are changed from wafers and wine. And don't try that "we are the body of Christ" on me. You know, or should know, that that is the Spiritual Body of Christ, being formed even as we speak. Your church couldn't perform a decent Eucharist if you actually meant the spiritual body of Christ and not the literal body of Christ. Half the spiritual body of Christ is in purgatory right now, according to your teachings. You know and I know that it is the literal blood and body of Christ, seated at the right hand of God, that you claim the wafers and wine are turned into at Mass.
Some earlier mentioned the green-eyed monster.
I tend to think it is more that a protestant must reject Mary or they will become Catholic and it is scary to move out of what you have been taught and believed all of your life.
I respect that and understand it. I only decry the sometimes terribly crude and offensive manner of their protests.
They are almost like a hair shirt aren’t they? We offer up the irritations they create in us and pray that God will use it as the oyster does the sand to create a pearl.
We must accept them out of love for God and Jesus, and pray for them.
Let me know when you get a response to that.
In boxing they refer to posts like yours as "leading with your face". And, like boxing, leading with your face results is certain cognitive impairments.
I believe in one God,
"I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me." -Exodus 20:2,3
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment." -Mark 12:29-31
the Father Almighty,
"One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." -Ephesians 4:6
"Have we not all one father? Hath not one God created us?" -Malachi 2:10
"And God said unto him, I am God Almighty:" -Genesis 35:11
Maker of heaven and earth,
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." -Genesis 1:1
"Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD, that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; -Isaiah 44:24
and of all things visible and invisible.
"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and for him:" -Colossians 1:16
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" -Romans 1:20
And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
"Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;" -2 Corinthians 1:3
"Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ." -I Thessalonians 1:1
"But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfill the lusts thereof." -Romans 13:14
the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages;
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life." -John 3:16
"And again, when he bringeth in the first-begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him." -Hebrews 1:6
"Then they that were in the ship came and worshiped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God." -Matthew 14:33
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." -Revelation 1:8
God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made,
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God." -John 1:1
"This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." -I John 1:5
"Then spake Jesus again unto them saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life." -John 8:12
"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." -John 20:28
"And we know that the Son of God is come, and has given us understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life." -I John 5:20
"I will tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to me, "You are my son, today I have begotten you." -Psalms 2:7
"For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day I have begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?" -Hebrews 1:5
"He who has seen me has seen the Father." -John 14:9
being of one substance with the Father;
"I and my Father are one." -John 10:30
"Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." -Isaiah 44:6
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." -Revelation 1:8
"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" -Philippians 2:6
"But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him." -John 10:38
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." -Colossians 2:9
by whom all things were made.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. ...He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. ...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." -John 1:1-3,10,14
"And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ." -Ephesians 3:9
"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." -I Corinthians 8:6
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." -Colossians 1:15-17
Who, for us all for our salvation, came down from heaven,
"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ," -I Thessalonians 5:9
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." -Acts 4:12
"And that from a child, thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith, which is in Christ Jesus." -II Timothy 3:15
"I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." -John 6:51
"For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me." -John 6:38
and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man;
"Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost." -Matthew 1:18
"To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. ...And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." -Luke 1:27,35
"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" -Philippians 2:6,7
"Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;" -Romans 1:3
and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate;
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ." -Acts 2:36
"And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor. ...Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified." -Matthew 27:2,26
"And so Pilate, willing to content the people, released Barabbas unto them, and delivered Jesus, when he had scourged him, to be crucified." -Mark 15:15
He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures;
"From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day." -Matthew 16:21
"And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen shroud, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock; and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre." -Mark 15:46
"And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead? He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, Saying The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again." -Luke 24:5-7
"For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received: how that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures: And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the Scriptures;" -I Corinthians 15:3-4
and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father;
"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." -John 20:17
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." -I Timothy 3:16v " ...by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.” -I Peter 3:21,22
"And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight." -Acts 1:9
"So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God." -Mark 16:19
and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the living and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
"And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." -Acts 1:10,11
"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." -Revelation 1:7
"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:" -John 5:22
"And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be judge of quick and dead." -Acts 10:42
"And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end." -Luke 1:33
And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life;
"Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." -John 14:17
"Now the Lord is that Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." -II Corinthians 3:17
"Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God." -Acts 5:3,4
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." -John 3:5
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;" -Titus 3:5
who proceeds from the Father; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:" -John 15:26
"If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" -Luke 11:13
"Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" -Matthew 28:19
"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." -II Peter 1:21
And I believe in one holy universal and apostolic Church.
"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." -John 17:20-23
"I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism; One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." -Ephesians 4:1-6
"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." -Colossians 1:18
"To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven," -Hebrews 12:23
"...they which are written in the Lamb's book of life." -Revelation 21:27
"...and with other my fellow laborers, whose names are in the book of life." -Philippians 4:3
"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." -Matthew 18:20
"And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy house:" -Philemon 1:2
"Likewise greet the church that is in their house." -Romans 16:5
"But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth." -I Timothy 3:15
"And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;" -Ephesians 2:20
"And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers." -Acts 2:42
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins;
"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" -Matthew 28:18,19
"One Lord, one faith, one baptism," -Ephesians 4:5
"For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." -Galatians 3:27
"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." -Matthew 26:28
"And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." -Luke 24;47
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." -Acts 2:38
“The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:” -I Peter 3:21
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." -Romans 6:3,4
and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
"Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?" -1 Corinthians 15:12
"For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." -1 Corinthians 15:21,22
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." -John 3:16
"But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him." -1 Corinthians 2:9
"For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be the glory forever. Amen." -Romans 11:36
Appears to be a Catholic site, or at least a Catholic sympathy site...
I put no faith in Catholic history...Many of these so called heretics were only guilty of refusing to bow to the popes and the Catholic religion...Of course Catholic history never mentions this...
And the Catholics were pure animals; savages...Read Foxe's book of Martyrs...
The proper term is "theandric". Why use a dozen words when one will more precisely convey the concept?
And thanks and praise the Lord.
After reading and believing the scriptures, I find it very clear that no one in your Catholic Cult is qualified to determine who is a Christian...
HaHaHa...When I was young, it was an insult to a Catholic to mistakenly call him/her a Christian...How things change...
Exodus 20:4-6 4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
I've seen plenty of Catholics bowing down before statues of Mary, Joseph and whoever else there was a statue of, lighting candles in front of them.
Obviously God knew the semantics games people would play and focused on the actions.
As this appears to be a cut and past
where is the URL for the source ?
Please refer to the citations after each verse.
I object to your putting Mary into the “family” that thought Jesus might be crazy. Scripture does not anywhere say that Mary thought that or said that.
While it is true that Mary is mentioned further along as one who was waiting outside to speak to Jesus, Scripture does not mention why she was there or what she was going to say. Scripture also does not say that Jesus talked to them.
Could one think that they brought Mary because they thought they had a better chance of speaking with Jesus if she was there?
Or could one think that Mary went with them because she heard what they were saying and was there to support and defend Jesus? Or that she was going to ask Jesus to allay their fears and dispute their charges?
Scripture is clear on none of the details or the conclusion to the event.
As for Mary, is it your contention that Mary who was visited by and Angel, who told her she would bear the Son of the Most High God, who gave the glorious Magnificat, the Canticle of Mary thought that Jesus was crazy?
She had seen what the angel promised come true. She had heard the prophecy of Simeon and of Anna and she wondered at their words. She knew at the wedding at Cana that what He could do and witnessed Him doing it.
And you say she was part of the posse that thought Jesus was crazy!
How far will you go to discredit Mary in your zeal to discredit the Church?
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