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To: BallparkBoys; irishtenor

You do realize that there is only one place in scripture where faith is termed a ‘work’:

8Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” - John 6

And in that passage, belief is a ‘work’ Jesus orders us to do!

In every other passage, faith is CONTRASTED with the works of man.

Also, saving faith is never described as something God gives us (a gift), but always our response to His grace.

“I cant get to the Father by works (of making a choice)”

Actually, you can come to him no other way. Repent means to change your mind. And we are commanded to repent. If we do not repent and believe, we will die.

Mat 21:32 “For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes believed him. And even when you saw it, you did not afterward change your minds and believe him.

Mar 16:14 Afterward he appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at table, and he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who saw him after he had risen.

Hard to condemn someone for not believing, if that means you failed to give them belief!

Act 11:21 And the hand of the Lord was with them, and a great number who believed turned to the Lord.

Jhn 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

Jhn 3:15 “that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.

Jhn 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Jhn 3:18 “Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Jhn 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

Jhn 6:40 “For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

Jhn 6:47 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.

Jhn 7:38 “Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’”

Act 4:4 But many of those who had heard the word believed, and the number of the men came to about five thousand.

Act 16:31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Rom 3:22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:

Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”

Rom 4:5 And to the one who does not work but trusts him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,

Rom 4:24 but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord,

Rom 9:33 as it is written, “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense; and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”

Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.”

Gal 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Please note that last verse: “so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law”

We have believed, not “We received belief”. We have done something. What? Believed. Why? To be justified by faith in Christ”.

If we are saved by grace thru election, God is a liar.


59 posted on 08/27/2011 5:05:21 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Mr Rogers

***Actually, you can come to him no other way. Repent means to change your mind. And we are commanded to repent. If we do not repent and believe, we will die.***

True, we must repent. But we cannot repent until we are shown our sins, and we do not recognize our sins until the gospel is revealed to us, and we cannot have the gospel revealed to us unless the Holy Spirit is working in us to hear the gospel. Remember, man flees from the light.


62 posted on 08/27/2011 5:09:52 PM PDT by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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