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To: Just mythoughts
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IF God already knows who will 'believe' then there was no point to this flesh age

Foreknowing does not logically mean what is foreknown is therefore meaningless. Only that it is foreknown. If I foreknow that my child will have to learn the hard way that saving money is important, this does not mean that his learning or saving are useless events.

God told Jeremiah he foreknew him before he was ever born in this flesh age.

But Jeremiah was born. If he were not born, God could not foreknow him.

315 posted on 08/30/2011 2:17:04 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
Thanks for your reply.

IF God already knows who will 'believe' then there was no point to this flesh age

Foreknowing does not logically mean what is foreknown is therefore meaningless. Only that it is foreknown. If I foreknow that my child will have to learn the hard way that saving money is important, this does not mean that his learning or saving are useless events.

God told Jeremiah he foreknew him before he was ever born in this flesh age.

But Jeremiah was born. If he were not born, God could not foreknow him.

I will type what God told Jeremiah. That way the 'logic' of what is being said can be discussed.

The timing of Jeremiah's writings took place after the House of Israel, (ten tribes), were sent into captivity unto the Assyrian king. And around 40 years before the House of Judah was sent to Babylon. There is no doubt in my mind that Jeremiah was predestined to have been where he was when he was so he would follow the very specific instructions given him.

Jeremiah 1:4 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

6 Then said I, "Ah, Lord God! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child."

7 But the LORD said unto me, :Say not, 'I am a child:' for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.

8 Be not afraid of their faces:

for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the LORD.

9 Then the LORD put forth His hand, and touched my mouth. And the LORD said unto me, "Behold, I have put My words in thy mouth.......

Jeremiah writings of God's Words still apply to even this day.

Every Christian should know that upon conception a soul/spirit intellect is placed in the flesh. We can know this by Luke's account of the conception of Christ, and Christ's own words to Nicodemus in regard to the first requirement for any to see the kingdom of God. John 3.

And Paul elaborates on this partaking of flesh and blood by the children in Hebrews 2:14.... Forasmuch as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;.....

Ecclesiastes 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern,

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it.

Paul in IICorinthians 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

I give these others as witness to the God given over and over doctrine that the soul/spirit intellect pre-existed this flesh age a few thousand years ago. One more that tells us that the flesh body is not alive without the soul/spirit intellect is Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; (breath of life means soul) and man became a living soul.

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Paul writes in Ephesians 1:4 According as He hath chosen us (election) in Him *BEFORE* the foundation (this word foundation is actually a verb kataballo that means the casting down - overthrow) of the world, (age as per IIPeter 3:5-8 three different heaven/earth ages) that we should be holy and without blame before Him in *love*.

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,

6 To the praise of the glory of His grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in the Beloved:......

Now as to your analogy of what you foreknow what your child will have to learn is different than foreknowing IF your child has already proved itself to be capable of hearing your instruction. Those of the elect have already proved themselves to have perfect love for Christ before the kataballo or the casting down - overthrow of the devil when he rebelled. Isaiah 14:12 and Ezekiel 28:12----. Those of the elect still have to live this flesh journey and as we can learn by the life Saul/Paul led, he got a one on one personal tap by Christ Himself to change his course.

326 posted on 08/30/2011 7:19:45 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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