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To: The Theophilus
Students of the Bible and History know that Zechariah 13:7-9 speaks of the war with the Romans that Flavius Josephus graphically documents in this book "War of the Jews". The two thirds that died were the ones who stood in Jerusalem screaming at Pilate the demand to crucify our LORD saying "His blood be on us and on our children" (Mt 27:25). In the Olivet Discourse, our LORD plainly said that "when Jerusalem is surrounded by [Roman] armies" (Lk 21:20) suddenly will come the death and destruction that could be avoided by those who were "ready" (Parable of Ten Virgins) who would "flee to the hills of Judea" (v21) (the one-third that survived).

I see a little problem with your theology here...

Zec 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

If the events of Zachariah 13 happened in 70 A.D., then a third of the Jews called on Jesus and were saved at that time...And we KNOW that didn't happen so Zachariah 13 HAS to be future...

And the Ten Virgins???

The ten virgins didn't wander off into the hills; none of them did...They were preparing to meet the Bridegroom...

Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut...

The Bridegroom didn't show up in 70 A.D....

That's the problem with non-dispensationalists...They have all these 30,000 plus verses of scripture and they don't know what to do with them...They run them all together and end up with a mess...

The Jews of Zachariah did not accept Jesus as their Lord in 70 A.D. and the Virgins who had kept their lamps full did not run off into the wilderness in 70 A.D....AND, they did not go with the Bridegroom to the Wedding in 70 A.D....It's all future...

In contrast, those who claim to love the Jews, give no reason whatsoever why God will isolate and strike down two-thirds of today's Jews in a bloody holocaust.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Sorry, Jesus didn't show up in 70 A.D....But he will show up, in the future...

58 posted on 08/16/2011 7:39:24 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
I see a little problem with your theology here...

It's not my theology, its the theology of +99% of all the Christians since the first century.

If the events of Zachariah 13 happened in 70 A.D., then a third of the Jews called on Jesus and were saved at that time...And we KNOW that didn't happen so Zachariah 13 HAS to be future...

How do you know that? Uninformed speculation? There wasn't a single Jew in the upper room during Pentecost as recorded in Acts 2? Are you really saying that for the the first three years while ALL of the Apostles were in Jerusalem, that few people were brought to Christ? Then for the next forty years prior to the destruction of Jerusalem that very few Jews came to faith in our LORD? The Holy Spirit is that incapable of bringing people to faith? The Gospel of Matthew was written in Hebrew - was that for the benefit of the Greeks? What do you think of this salutation in 1 Peter?

"To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia..."

Do you have an idea who is meant by "pilgrims of the Dispersion"? Only Hellenists? Again, How do you know?

"The Bridegroom didn't show up in 70 A.D...."

How do you know this? Uninformed Speculation? No one here is talking about the Parousia of the Last Day. You think the LORD can't come in Power? Who was the fourth person in the furnace with Daniel's friends? Who was accompanied by two Angels when the trio appeared before Abraham to warn him of Sodom and Gomorrah?

The passages regarding the Coming of the Son of Man in (Matthew 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27; Luke 21:25-28) is not speaking of the secret "Rapture" because you have the world mourning, and a "great sound of a trumpet" - unless this is really just a "great dog whistle" that only certain people can hear. The tradition understanding of these passages has always been that the LORD would come in power to do away with the physical Temple, judge the Jews who rejected the Messiah and crucified Him, and empower the spread of the Gospel to the entire world. The "gathering of the elect" has clearly been happening "from one end of heaven to the other" now for thousands of years. The word in Matthew 24:31 rendered "angels" in English means "messenger" and could be interpreted that way, yet the symbolism of the "angels" bringing in the harvest is just as well.

Interpreting these passages as a singular future event completely ignores the language steeped in Old Testament history. The "coming on the clouds" doesn't mean literal clouds because it says that "all of the tribes of the earth... will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory". Clearly that can't mean the secret Rapture, for it is impossible for all people to physically see anyone coming on the clouds, for one because the earth is round, its dark on half the planet, the clouds themselves would obscure seeing someone, the distance above would make the person too small to see, and for the next ten days Jerusalem's WX forecast is expected to be clear with no clouds.

Here is some of the OT language regarding an overpowering conquering suddenly approaching and overwhelming the enemy as a monstrous dust storm appears out of no where and blows through with great power.

But actually in Revelation we have a passage that tells us that the generation of people He was talking to would indeed see Him in His glory ushering in the Kingdom and ending the Temple system. For some strange reason you posted it, but didn't even bother to read it. For if you did, you couldn't possibly come to the conclusion you did.

Rev 1:7 "Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him.

The same language as our LORD used on the mount of Olives, that He would come in the clouds of power, that "every eye would see Him", and most important, it would come while those who shouted "CRUCIFY HIM" were still alive.

Unless you are willfully ignorant, blind to the Scriptures, or just flat out lying, how can you say, without substantiation that this wasn't 70AD, and when you did post some Scripture, it proved exactly the opposite of your position? Are you really going to day that "even they who pierced Him" doesn't mean "those who pierced Him"? You like literalism, this is about as literal as it gets regarding those Jews who shouted "May his blood be on us and on our children".

What gives?

59 posted on 08/16/2011 7:45:03 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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