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To: Mr Rogers

not odd at all. The Holy Spirit was showing Peter the Gospel was for the Gentiles, as well as the Jews.

neither Jesus nor the Holy Spirit immerses us in water.

The Scriptures are clear, the Holy Spirit baptizes us thru the Body of Christ, the Church. Jesus breathed on the Apostles to receive the Holy Spirit, the Apostles laid hands on other faithful men to teach and baptize when the Apostles passed, just as Jesus commanded in Matthew 28. The Church has the authority from Jesus Himself, it is the vessel the Holy Spirit uses to bring men into the Kingdom of God. as Ephesians 4 tells us, there is One Baptism.

this is the historical, orthodox Faith, first taught on Pentecost, and taught and believed by Christians for 2,000 years. in the 16th century, a heresy arose that says there are two baptisms, one a so called Spirit baptism and two, a so called water baptism. this new doctrine was unheard of for 16 centuries and absolutely violates Ephesians 4. it also teaches this so called water baptism is done to be obedient to Jesus and for making a public declaration to join a local church...of course no one in the NT was ever told this, so this is just a 16th century tradition of men.


65 posted on 08/10/2011 6:15:11 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Is the baptism of Jesus, according to the scriptures, one of water or spirit?

Which makes one a Christian? If water, why are so many baptized who reject Jesus as Lord? And why does John the Baptist say Jesus will baptize (immerse) us with the Holy Spirit?

Does the Spirit give life, or water?

While we are at it, who are the priests in the New Testament?

“2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

7Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.” - Gal 3


71 posted on 08/10/2011 9:28:06 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Here is the passage in Ephesians:

“I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.”

One body - physical or spiritual?

One spirit - physical or spiritual?

One hope - physical or spiritual?

One Lord - physical or spiritual?

One faith - physical or spiritual?

One baptism - physical or spiritual?

One God - physical or spiritual?

Of the seven ones, it is painfully obvious that 6 are spiritual. So why do you pluck out baptism to make it physical? Particularly when the baptism of Jesus is with the Holy Spirit - per John the Baptist...


72 posted on 08/10/2011 9:38:13 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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