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To: John McDonnell; Colofornian
Your "evidence" is tainted.

And your 'evidence' is even more tainted John. Emma had a BIG bone to pick and when her son wasn't selected as the next prophet - she struck out at those who continued leadership. As pointed out before, even founders of RLDS acknowledged smith to be a polygamist. There is also the testimony of those women who were smith's wives and the testimony of his contemporaries - even those who were NOT involved in polygamy.

(1) the continued publication of the Book of Mormon with its condemnation of polygamy.

John, the bom was continued to be produced even AFTER smith and during the open polygamy period. Thus your evidence is invalid.

(2) The "law of the church" in the Doctrine and Covenants revelation of February 9, 1831, which states: "Thou shalt love thy wife with all thy heart, and shall cleave unto her and none else; and he that looketh upon a woman to lust after her, shall deny the faith, and shall not have the Spirit; and if he repents not, he shall be cast out."

Yes, and this wouldn't be the first time smith out and out lied John. He also lied about the bom, he lied about the Kirkland bank, he lied about his temple rituals, he lied about the wow - so it is not surprising he lied against Church law.

4) the 1835 statement by church leaders on. .

Another documented lie.

(5) removals from church membership, during the presidency of Joseph Smith Jr, of persons engaging in adulterous relationships.

LOL - adulterous indeed - just those who jumped the gun or fell into smith's disfavor.

(6) the interview of the former Emma Smith

As stated before - she lied to protect her children.

But that isn't the whole story is it John. Smith admitted it.

"The same God that has thus far dictated me and directed me and strengthened me in this work, gave me this revelation and commandment on celestial and plural marriage, and the same God commanded me to obey it. He said to me that unless I accepted it, and introduced it, and practiced it, I, together with my people would be damned and cut off from this time henceforth. We have got to observe it. It is an eternal principle and was given by way of commandment and not by way of instruction."
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Contributor, Vol. 5, p. 259

And if we are to take the bom witnesses seriously, then their testimony about smith's marriage to Fanny Alger should be accepted too - as it was a "a dirty, nasty, filthy affair..." (Cowdrey)

268 posted on 07/31/2011 7:00:34 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
And your 'evidence' is even more tainted

Your "even more" is an admission that your evidence is tainted.

269 posted on 07/31/2011 7:34:56 PM PDT by John McDonnell
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To: Godzilla
even founders of RLDS acknowledged smith to be a polygamist

That statement is an oversimplification, especially since the RLDS came to believe on good evidence that Joseph Smith Jr was not a polygamist. Back when they were contending against polygamy, RLDS ministers liked to quote Jeremiah 17:5-8, reading into it as follows:

"Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord [Brigham Young]. For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh [the Reorganization]; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness [beyond the reach of American law], in a salt land and not inhabited [Salt Lake City and surroundings]. Blessed is the man that trusteth in the Lord, and whose hope the Lord is. For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the [Missouri] river, and shall not see when the heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit."

God loves repentance. No matter what the sins of the Mormon church were, that church is doing much more good than evil now. "Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and He will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon. For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts" (Isaiah 55:7-9).

271 posted on 07/31/2011 8:23:51 PM PDT by John McDonnell
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