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To: Colofornian
I believe that you are twisting my reference to "wicked old Mormons" to suit your agenda. I had pointed out that the Mormon leaders involved in polygamy, to answer criticism from Latter Day Saints who claimed that polygamy was an apostate invention, lied about Joseph Smith Jr to justify their sins.
The evidence for this is there for those who seek the truth:

(1) The pretended "revelation" by Joseph Smith Jr was not published until several years after polygamy had already been practised in Utah.

(2) Mormon polygamy became prevalent after the Mormon church followed Brigham Young out of the United States and her domain of laws in which polygamy must not exist.

(3) Mormon missionaries in Britain and Europe did not tell converts about polygamy. When converts migrated to Utah they were shocked to find it practised. Many of the migrants sought to escape, and many of those who did escape joined the RLDS, which was nobly trying to expose polygamy as a gross apostacy from church teachings.

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(4) Mormon leaders did not allow the 1835 statement by church leaders, including Joseph Smith Jr, supporting monogamous marriage to remain in their Doctrine and Covenants, when they added the pretended "revelation" on polygamy.

(5) Joseph Smith III's interview with his mother, the former Emma Smith, was not a case of Emma trying to protect her family, because her RLDS church president son was adamant in insisting that she not do that, that the church, to avoid future embarrassment, must have the truth, even if it is ugly. Fully understanding the concern of her son, she insisted that Joseph Smith Jr had no wife other than herself.

(6) The reference to Emma Smith in the forged "revelation" was consistent with Brigham Young's hatred for her. He was livid that she did not release to him the manuscripts of Joseph Smith Jr.'s revision of the Bible. He was livid that she would not support his attempts at church leadership. So while forging the "revelation", slipping in some wording that has God condemning her for not supporting polygamy, was probably his way of lashing back at her.

The motives of those who wanted to brand Joseph Smith as a polygamist must be critically examined before their statements can be accepted as reliable.

"Wicked old Mormons" was intended to describe Mormons who told lies to justify their sins. Joseph Smith Jr was not a polygamist, nor did he encourage anyone to practise it. Brigham Young forged a document to the contrary, and the undiscerning gleefully latch on to that for reasons that should be also be critically examined.

260 posted on 07/31/2011 4:34:43 PM PDT by John McDonnell
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To: John McDonnell
The motives of those who wanted to brand Joseph Smith as a polygamist must be critically examined before their statements can be accepted as reliable.

Please tell us the "motives" Joseph F. Smith had to lie about his uncle when he said Smith was given the go-ahead for polygamy as early as 1832. Joseph F. Smith made that statement in 1878 -- when he was not beholden to Brigham Young...Brigham died in 1877.

You do always go around slandering & insinuating things re: the close family membes of Joseph Smith?

261 posted on 07/31/2011 5:00:17 PM PDT by Colofornian (Friends don't let friends drive drunk on Joe Smith sentimentalism to an outer darkness destination.)
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To: John McDonnell; Godzilla; Elsie; All
Joseph Smith Jr was not a polygamist/...

Anybody have a "head in the sand" award we could give to John???

262 posted on 07/31/2011 5:01:50 PM PDT by Colofornian (Friends don't let friends drive drunk on Joe Smith sentimentalism to an outer darkness destination.)
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To: John McDonnell
I believe that you are twisting my reference to "wicked old Mormons" to suit your agenda. I had pointed out that the Mormon leaders involved in polygamy, to answer criticism from Latter Day Saints who claimed that polygamy was an apostate invention, lied about Joseph Smith Jr to justify their sins.

No, John, you are the distorter.

I said nothing about polygamy in post #222.

You then responded in post #228: Now that I got you to blink, I can easily dispense of your quotes of Mormon leaders doing what Elsie did by stating AGAIN that I have never been a Mormon. There is no link between me and a bunch of wicked old Mormons of the past...

Since I quoted the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith, and Joseph's sidekick John Taylor re: the "devilish" words tossed @ Christians, then, no, you can't "easily dispense of" the quotes I used.

In fact, you still haven't addressed most of post #222!

YOU are the one who used the term "wicked old Mormons" on a post in response to my post which said NOTHING about polygamy...so don't play word & mind games, John. You can read, can't you?

263 posted on 07/31/2011 5:08:23 PM PDT by Colofornian (Friends don't let friends drive drunk on Joe Smith sentimentalism to an outer darkness destination.)
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