I would hope that this would drive a stake into the heart of Marty Haugen and David Haas...
...but, like the author, I am not so naive as to think this will make any difference at all. After all, who cares about rules when we have far more important issues of inclusiveness and accessibility to consider.
To: markomalley
Finally, option four blasts away the vague word song and again emphasizes chant, and with this important proviso: suited to the sacred action, the day, or the time of year. One would have to be deliberately obtuse not to see that this refers to the proper text of the day in question. The self-so-called "Ministers of Music", and other devotees of Oregon "Catholic" Press, members of the National Association of Pastoral Musicians, and similar malefactors, are among the most obtuse people you will ever meet.
2 posted on
07/11/2011 2:56:27 AM PDT by
ArrogantBustard
(Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
To: markomalley
Songs or hymns may not be used in place of the responsorial Psalm. That's from the 2003 rubrics.
Guess what a lot of "ministers of music" inflict on congregations?
Yeah, that's right. Banal songs and gross (nearly unrecognizable) paraphrases of the Psalm.
The real scandal, here, is that their Pastors let them get away with it.
3 posted on
07/11/2011 2:59:39 AM PDT by
ArrogantBustard
(Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
To: markomalley; Salvation; NYer
7 posted on
07/11/2011 4:40:01 AM PDT by
COBOL2Java
(Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
8 posted on
07/11/2011 4:45:31 AM PDT by
NYer
("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
To: markomalley
My pet peeve is the way the congregation is now prevented from singing anything but the refrain during the Gloria. We should all be singing those glorious words of praise to God. Instead, the Gloria is reduced to a solo moment for the cantor and we all listen passively as someone else praises God.
They are also always tinkering with the tune and the wording so the poor parishioners never get familiar enough with it to sing along and ruin their solo.
We should all be singing it, loud and proud! I refuse to stop singing it and sing all the words along with the cantor; but people look at me funny.
14 posted on
07/11/2011 7:40:10 AM PDT by
Melian
("I can't spare this [wo]man; [s]he fights!" (Apologies to Abe Lincoln) Go, Sarah!)
To: markomalley
What about “traditional hymms”?
15 posted on
07/11/2011 7:45:16 AM PDT by
Biggirl
("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
To: markomalley
Also with the adult choir that I am a part of, for Pentecost, did a beautiful chant from the Taize, which is entrance chant.
20 posted on
07/11/2011 9:31:46 AM PDT by
Biggirl
("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
To: markomalley
“which is entrance chant.”
Correct that, the Taize chant invoking the Holy Spirit was done just before the Gospel was read.
21 posted on
07/11/2011 9:34:50 AM PDT by
Biggirl
("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
To: markomalley; ArrogantBustard; livius
I have to make it through the end of the thread, but what I'm seeing here in the GIRM isn't so much "go away crappy music" as "There are proscribed antiphons with psalms and verses for the Introit, Offertory and Communion and these are to be done." You can still set those words to crappy music, but they need to be included in the Mass. If we, the choir of one of the great cathedrals of the world, hadn't started doing them when our new music director came, I wouldn't know all that. They were all but dropped and, frankly, they make the whole thing make more sense.
A word on chant - not all chant is made the same. There's the classic chant that we know as Gregorian and some specific chants that really are somewhat hymn-like. There's Anglican, Ambrosian and some from other rites that all have minor differences. Some are easier to sing than others. Learning to sing chant is not as easy as it sounds for people who sing as a hobby. There is a specific technique to it.
That being said, I am glad to see this and am somewhat surprised that the writer of the article missed a line in the Communion discussion 1) the antiphon from the Missal or the antiphon with its Psalm from the Graduale Romanum, as set to music there or in another musical setting; that could quite possibly invite abuse. We'll see.
33 posted on
07/11/2011 11:18:56 AM PDT by
Desdemona
( If trusting the men in the clergy was a requirement for Faith, there would be no one in the pews.)
To: markomalley
39 posted on
07/11/2011 11:36:22 AM PDT by
Jeff Chandler
(Just once I'd like someone to call me 'Sir' without adding 'You're making a scene.' - Homer Simpson)
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