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CALVINISM IN AMERICA [Happy "Presbyterian Rebellion" Day, everybody!]
Reformed Theology.org ^ | Loraine Boettner

Posted on 07/04/2011 8:49:43 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

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To: Diamond
Are YOU saying that Calvin started or finished evangelization in France?

either way that's false

Remigius baptised Clovis I, France was already Christian for over a thousand years before Jean Cauvin, so your statement that "Calvin evangelized France" was false

At the time of Jean Cauvin, everyone in France did hear the good news, yes.

There is no such thing as your post 28 claimed that the modern missionary movement as we have come to know it, was founded and stimulated by William Carey, a Calvinist -- The missionary movement was founded by Christ. There is no such thing as "modern missionary movement" indicating a discontinuation with the original message to spread the Word of Christ -- the commission given by Christ Himself.

The Christian missionary movement is the same continuation of what was inaugurated by Christ, now if your followers of Calvin started a new missionary movement to spread the gospel of Calvin, oohkay..

181 posted on 07/06/2011 7:11:35 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: BlueDragon; Titanites
BD: I attempted to explain it twice to him, but I guess pride, and the desire to be a pain in the neck precluded understanding.

True -- your posts display a lack of understanding of the facts. But don't worry, they weren't as much a pain in the neck 'cause we laugh about them. Were your post prideful? Perhaps, but that can be worked on -- good luck.

182 posted on 07/06/2011 7:15:32 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos
your posts display a lack of understanding of the facts.

Really now? Your own previous statement, likening the "Presbyterian Rebellion" against the tyranny of the English King George, to being rebellion against God, clearly paints you as a latter-day Tory.

So again I ask you, which is it? Blessed (and justified) "Independence Day", or "rebellion against God day" as you put it?

If it is the latter, I again invite you to leave this land of liberty. Start packing. Get moving.

What other choice would you have? To not do so would be for you to be willfully living in a land and nation founded on sinful rebellion.

Those were your own words. "Rebellion against God".

You sure you want to continue to live in the good 'ol U.S. of A.?

Tell me, why do you even deserve to live free from the bondage & yokes of monarchical tyrannies, if you characterize the throwing off of such yokes as being "rebellion against God".

Exactly what sort of horribly conflicted sinner are you? It is you whom exhibits a startling lack of comprehension of the overall situation, the subject matter of this thread, and the comments I have made concerning them. Personally, I'm not conflicted concerning the matter.

I'm grateful to have been born an American citizen.

Contrary to it being some form of sin to resist tyranny & corruption --- I consider it duty to do so.

I have served in the U.S. military. Have you?

183 posted on 07/06/2011 7:57:23 AM PDT by BlueDragon (tonto he got smart said listenkimmosabe, kissmyass I boughtaboat, I'm headedout to sea)
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To: BlueDragon; Cronos
I guess pride, and the desire to be a pain in the neck precluded understanding.

Sure, I'm proud to be an American, aren't you? I'm not afraid to ping someone when I'm talking about them either. I'd rather be proud than afraid.

184 posted on 07/06/2011 9:02:21 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: Cronos; BlueDragon
Actually, weren’t there Presbyterians on the English side as well? What about Baptists?

Sure there were. They were Loyalists who moved to Canada after the Revolutionary War. I can see why they don't want to talk about those Presbyterians and Baptists.

185 posted on 07/06/2011 9:05:27 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: Titanites

You mistake fear, for disdain.


186 posted on 07/06/2011 9:11:07 AM PDT by BlueDragon (tonto he got smart said listenkimmosabe, kissmyass I boughtaboat, I'm headedout to sea)
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To: Titanites
I never said I was "proud" to be born a U.S. citizen, nor did I ask you.

...grateful, the word used was "grateful"...

187 posted on 07/06/2011 9:13:48 AM PDT by BlueDragon (tonto he got smart said listenkimmosabe, kissmyass I boughtaboat, I'm headedout to sea)
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To: BlueDragon
grateful, the word used was "grateful"...

Maybe you have me confused with someone else and are having a hard time keeping up. The word you used was not grateful but pride, as in "I guess pride". Please see your own post #173.

188 posted on 07/06/2011 9:26:05 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: Titanites
When I spoke of my own good fortune as to citizenship, my own words did not include "pride", but yours did.

Obviously, you didn't understand that when I earlier spoke of "pride precluding understanding" I was speaking of your own. Pride, that is. Is that clear enough for you?

Ah, but you'll come back with yet another twisted "version", no doubt. That's the game you're playing here, isn't it? Yet you have the gall to insinuate that was what I was up to? Sick, you are truly sick.

189 posted on 07/06/2011 9:53:23 AM PDT by BlueDragon (tonto he got smart said listenkimmosabe, kissmyass I boughtaboat, I'm headedout to sea)
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To: BlueDragon
When I spoke of my own good fortune as to citizenship, my own words did not include "pride", but yours did.

There's no post of yours to me where you spoke of citizenship. Again, you must have me confused with someone else. Also, I'll just note that Michelle Obama also wasn't proud to be an American, at least until her husband was made president. That's some interesting company you keep.

Obviously, you didn't understand that when I earlier spoke of "pride precluding understanding" I was speaking of your own. Pride, that is. Is that clear enough for you?

No, it's clear. It just didn't make any sense.

Ah, but you'll come back with yet another twisted "version", no doubt.

No, it's clear - when you speak of your citizenship you don't include the word "pride" the same as Mrs. Obama used to do. There's no twisting in that.

That's the game you're playing here, isn't it? Yet you have the gall to insinuate that was what I was up to?

It's nothing but a game to attempt to make it look like I was responding to one thing, when in the post itself I had copied the actual statement I was responding to. There's no insinuation there. That's what you did. I can understand that you'd be upset at getting caught.

Sick, you are truly sick.

Losers always resort to making it personal.

190 posted on 07/06/2011 10:44:39 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: BlueDragon
You mistake fear, for disdain.

No, I don't. But I would like to know if disdain is the reason you don't use the word "pride" when talking of your citizenship?

191 posted on 07/06/2011 10:47:31 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: BlueDragon; Cronos
"I have served in the U.S. military. Have you?"

I did. US Army. 1971 - 1974, 11B20P.

192 posted on 07/06/2011 11:55:29 AM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: BlueDragon; Titanites
As I said, your posts display a lack of understanding of the facts. But don't worry, they weren't as much a pain in the neck 'cause we laugh about them. Were your post prideful? Perhaps, but that can be worked on -- good luck.

now you said

BD (posted on 6th of July): "happy presbyterian rebellion day, everybody" -- I guess the "rebellion against God" day is on the 6th of July, eh?

ok.... 6th of July is your cult's day. Good. The rest of America celebrates the 4th as Independence day and your cult (whichever one of the numerous PCUSA, WBC, etc. cults it is) celebrates the 6th as it's "rebellion against God" day..

193 posted on 07/06/2011 1:44:39 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos
ok.... 6th of July is your cult's day. Good. The rest of America celebrates the 4th as Independence day and your cult celebrates the 6th as it's rebellion against God day...

Detroit and Windsor pick a day and put barges in the river between the two cities and have a massive firework celebration. It is one of the few things I miss about moving away from in Dearborn...

194 posted on 07/06/2011 4:55:31 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Natural Law

Very well. My own time serving in the Navy—uneventful for the most part. Nobody shooting at me.


195 posted on 07/06/2011 6:19:29 PM PDT by BlueDragon (tonto he got smart said listenkimmosabe, kissmyass I boughtaboat, I'm headedout to sea)
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To: Titanites

Actually, the disdain was for you, for reason of your method of discussion.

Now why would you blend in my use of the word "disdain" (as to you) with my own use of the word "grateful (as to my attitude towards being blessed born a U.S. citizen) if you were not continuing to attempt distortion of my own words?

That is your sickness.

Pride in a man is enmity to God. Or at least can be. Often is. Gotta' be careful with that pride stuff. It can be deadly poison.

And that's not even getting started on some of the wicked things this Nation has done.

Still --- the freedom that does exist (did exist?), I am grateful for those portions. Not "proud", for I owe others, many others, some well known, many forever nameless in history.

Yet still proud of the higher ideals and principles this nation, at least in part, stands for. Or once did. Proud of the good things, the goodness that can be found among the people, but grieved for the evil things...

Go ahead. Twist away. Twist it all into the opposite, as you have most everything else I've said to you. I'll soon be gone and won't answer.

196 posted on 07/06/2011 6:39:48 PM PDT by BlueDragon (tonto he got smart said listenkimmosabe, kissmyass I boughtaboat, I'm headedout to sea)
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To: Cronos
go soak your head Cronos, you're getting over-heated with all this "your cult", and "you're-in-a-cult" business.


197 posted on 07/06/2011 6:52:40 PM PDT by BlueDragon (tonto he got smart said listenkimmosabe, kissmyass I boughtaboat, I'm headedout to sea)
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To: BlueDragon; Natural Law; MarkBsnr; Titanites
Nice side-step -- your post on 6th of July talked about happy rebellion day -- a rebellion day against God. Note -- American Independence day is on the 4th, not the 6th.

Now a side-step from the actual topic? Why?

198 posted on 07/06/2011 10:21:36 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: BlueDragon

btw, since you started asking questions about me, let me ask you, which Baptist denomination do you belong to? The Southern Baptist? The independent Baptists? the westboro?


199 posted on 07/06/2011 10:23:43 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: BlueDragon; Natural Law; Titanites; MarkBsnr
BD: go soak your head Cronos

Thanks -- was that US military barbershop division?

Besides, is there anything incorrect in calling your cult a cult?

200 posted on 07/06/2011 10:25:15 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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