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To: Grig
“Faith in the church?” Yes, faith (ie: belief) that the church is what it claims to be. It takes faith in Christ to gain salvation, but you can have faith in other people or groups, believing they are good and trustworthy. You appear to have faith in the Bible for example since you claim to believe what it says.

Faith in the Bible? If somebody who loves me writes me a letter, is the ultimate exercise of my trust in a letter -- or a letter-writer? The NT epistles are that -- letters. And even then, a John or a Paul is a mere postal carrier of the Holy Spirit. Even then, we exercise trust in the faithfulness of the Holy Spirit, who communicates via couriers & postal delivery servants.

The problem is that you distrust Jesus having the ability to sustain a trustworthy church-as-mere stewards. You believe He failed in His mission in allowing the forces of darkness to prevail against His church and His promise (Matt. 16:18). And you thereby also must believe the apostle Paul is a false "prophet" when he prophesied: 20 Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, 21 to him be glory IN THE CHURCH and in Christ Jesus THROUGHOUT ALL GENERATIONS, FOR EVER AND EVER! Amen. (Eph. 3:20-21)

What do you do with such a prophesy of Paul? Did God receive ...glory in the church...throughout all generations, forever and ever!? (Or is that just another forever redefined as temporary in Mormonism -- like hell is thus redefined?)

86 posted on 06/16/2011 3:01:52 PM PDT by Colofornian (I already have a God as my leader. Why do I need ANOTHER one as POTUS?)
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To: Colofornian

It’s amazing how wrong you are when you try to tell me what it is I believe. The apostacy was man’s failure to follow Christ and it does nothing to diminish his glory.


102 posted on 06/16/2011 3:23:37 PM PDT by Grig
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