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To: Grig; Godzilla; aMorePerfectUnion; greyfoxx39
The temple and it’s ordinances belong to the church, and the church has every right to set the requirements for obtaining them. Your opinion of the requirements is of no concern to the church. If you call it extortion however, then by that same standard shopkeepers are extortionists for not handing you their stuff for free, schools are extortionists for not handing out a passing marks unless the student turns in homework, tests and exams that meet the standard, and God Himself is an extortionist for only letting those into heaven that meet His standard.

Wow! We just didn't know that the church wasn't to operate as dispensers of God's grace. We should have known, coming from a Mormon trying to merit and earn his way into God's presence forever, that there should be a price tag on God's grace beyond the price tag of Christ's body and blood shed on the cross.

But leave it to Mormons to constantly "dis-grace" God, His Gospel, and the Bible by attempting to redefine it as something other than meritless. (It's just those Mormon leaders who have constantly drilled "worthy" this and "worthy" that into their sheep that they can't help but reinforce the notion that the Mormon church has a so-called "right" to put a price tag on grace...you might as just well sell indulgences...maybe if you offer them for 9.5% of somebody's income -- vs. 10% -- they'll consider that a "bargain" & buy them up from you!)

Otherwise, Grig...you need to start celebrating Christmas & b'days @ your house the Mormon theological way: make your kids or future kids & grandkids earn & merit & "worth-ify" all your gifts to them...put requirements & a price tag on them...say maybe, 10% of their allowances?

79 posted on 06/16/2011 1:05:28 PM PDT by Colofornian (I already have a God as my leader. Why do I need ANOTHER one as POTUS?)
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To: Colofornian

The church is the kingdom of God on earth and operates on his behalf. The Bible is full of many references to the importance of obedience to God and you have those debates already many times so I won’t waste further time on it.

Again I find it strange how much you all complain about what it would take to get something you don’t even want.


101 posted on 06/16/2011 3:19:02 PM PDT by Grig
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