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To: bkaycee

The Consensus Patrum overrules individuals.

The Protoevangelium is not Canon, yet it obviously seriously influenced the early Church.

Tell me who wrote 2 Peter ca. 150 AD and whether he was an eyewitness of Christ.

The Church’s belief about Mary started long before any NT Scripture was ever written.


968 posted on 06/23/2011 5:55:18 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
The Protoevangelium is not Canon, yet it obviously seriously influenced the early Church.
Yes, it did. It was obviously the source of the mischief that crept into the church and was anathemed by Popes. It certainly did not originate with the Church.

It serves no purpose, other than giving glory to Mary which Christ went out of his way NOT to do.

Pope Gelasius I, bishop of Rome 492–496, lists it among "The remaining writings which have been compiled or been recognised by heretics or schismatics the Catholic and Apostolic Roman Church does not in any way receive; of these we have thought it right to cite below a few which have been handed down and which are to be avoided by catholics:" - Gelasian Decree, Chapter 5

The Church’s belief about Mary started long before any NT Scripture was ever written.
That is simply an asertion without a basis. The church was totally silent about any Marian doctrine for centuries.

You could offer some proof for you assertion.

989 posted on 06/24/2011 6:34:05 AM PDT by bkaycee
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The Consensus Patrum overrules individuals.

Really?

The Protoevangelium is not Canon, yet it obviously seriously influenced the early Church.

Many forgeries and works of fiction influenced the early Church, the middle Church, and the current Church.

Tell me who wrote 2 Peter ca. 150 AD and whether he was an eyewitness of Christ.

The Church’s belief about Mary started long before any NT Scripture was ever written.

Your "infallible" source for the writing of 2 Peter in 150 AD is????????????

When did the "Church's belief" about the Perpetual Virginity, the Immaculate Conception, and the Bodily Assumption first become known?

I have included a few "When Was The Bible Written" timelines for your review. I agree that neither agrees completely with the other and, in any event, both are "best guesses". However, they establish general timelines with which you can compare your "...Church’s belief about Mary started long before any NT Scripture was ever written."

Suffice to say I believe you are off, way off

When was the Bible written. 1.

When was the Bible written 2.

994 posted on 06/24/2011 11:11:55 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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