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To: bkaycee
There are more, but the whole thing is that the whole model is built upon the idea of kingdom. That's why the role of Mary was accepted by the Church so quickly in the first century.

Quite fascinating fiction. You must certainly be aware that no such concept as Mary being Queen of Heaven was even mentioned for many hundreds of years.

The truth is that the first icon was painted by the Gospel writer Luke and it was of Mary. Mariology is woven into the Church's history and was integral to the early Church. The mother and child icon and later sculptures almost dominated holy depictions. Even if I did produce first century evidence, would you then believe? Do the fact that the first definition of the Council of Ephesus negate anything? The Trinitarian Formula and the Nicene Creed was first defined at Nicea. Since they were not in existence prior, does that negate them?

806 posted on 06/20/2011 6:40:59 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr; bkaycee
The Trinitarian Formula and the Nicene Creed was first defined at Nicea. Since they were not in existence prior, does that negate them?

Well - - - they are traditions of men.

It seems that many "Christians", Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, by the "Christian Standard" are Christians in name only.

For example:

Most American Christians Do Not Believe that Satan or the Holy Spirit Exist

There are some with an orthodox Christian background who have doubts or are troubled by some of the extra-Scriptural dogma's of Christianity and who admit it. There are others, and I do not include you, who I believe go through the motions while not believing a word they say.

In my daily life I would much rather deal with the honest doubters than with a few of the phony liar "Christians" I have met on this forum who troll from post to post, forum to forum, with the same garbage.

849 posted on 06/21/2011 9:30:09 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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