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Did Mary Have Other Children?
Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry ^ | Unknown | Matt Slick

Posted on 06/13/2011 3:57:07 PM PDT by HarleyD

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To: Iscool

Then we get into the battle of the scholars. LOL.


461 posted on 06/16/2011 9:43:27 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: presently no screen name; Judith Anne; Natural Law
pnsm: Lots of confusion there.

judith -- the Trinity can be confusing to a lot of folks. hence the retreat back to saying Jesus was just a good man or the second-last prophet. Simplicity and submission

462 posted on 06/16/2011 9:43:47 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: Cronos; Quix
"I saw Him! I saw Elohim, Jehovah God, Yahweh" vs. "no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see".

I know which I believe. It is WRITTEN.

463 posted on 06/16/2011 9:43:47 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: presently no screen name; Mad Dawg; Natural Law; Judith Anne
pnsm: they only exist to go against His Word and honor man.

His Word, the Word of God is Jesus Christ and yes Jesus Christ was 100% man and 100% God -- that's what we Christians believe. Don't you?

464 posted on 06/16/2011 9:45:20 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: Iscool
"What is the rest of the Revealed word and to whom and when was it revealed???"

Your denial aside, the Holy Traditions of the Church comprise a lot of it. Were all that is necessary containable in a Book God would have repeated the Mosaic process and sent the Gospel on Stone Tablets. Instead He sent His Son to establish a Church.

465 posted on 06/16/2011 9:45:38 AM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: presently no screen name; Natural Law; Mad Dawg; Judith Anne
pnsm: So it seems you are implying that the Adam/Eve Disease is contagious

So, don't you believe in Original Sin/Original Stain? really?

466 posted on 06/16/2011 9:46:21 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: presently no screen name; Amityschild; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

Some seem to forget or be unaware . . .

that their absurd convoluted manipulations of Scripture coupled with their posting history results in more obnoxious silly tedium than is remotely attractive at this point in the process.

They may convince themselves that their manipulations are brilliant and even applicable.

They may even think that their Alice-in-Wonderland-thought processes are logical, practical, functional, accurate.

However, I don’t know of anything short of HOLY SPIRIT’S ENLIGHTENMENT IN LEADING THEM INTO THE WHOLE TRUTH OF SCRIPTURE that can break through their denial and rationalizations.

And, with some, given their hop-skip and jump hermeneutics . . . it’s not remotely attractive to bother with them any more. There must be some salty river rocks they can go suck on somewhere.

I’ve given in their behalf at home and at the office fairly endlessly. They have no more claim on my assistance, imho.


467 posted on 06/16/2011 9:55:28 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix; Cronos
AND HE referred NOT TO HIMSELF, NOT EVEN TO THE FATHER BUT TO SCRIPTURE AS THE ISSUE SETTLING AUTHORITY

Here're some more, in addition to those I posted previously:

Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God. Therefore, whoever resists authority opposes what God has appointed, and those who oppose it will bring judgment upon themselves."

Obey your leaders and defer to them, for they keep watch over you

So that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the principalities and authorities in the heavens.

We belong to God, and anyone who knows God listens to us, while anyone who does not belong to God refuses to hear us. This is how we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of deceit.

468 posted on 06/16/2011 10:11:47 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: presently no screen name
You said:
... how's that for preservation?

I said,as quoted by you :Perseveration is neither evidence nor argument.

You wrote about: P R E S E R V A T I O N
I wrote about: P E R S E V E R A T I O N

You can see that they are different words. So I don't see how your response relates to my remark.

469 posted on 06/16/2011 10:14:41 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Natural Law
Jesus is the Word and was the Word made flesh, not a book.

Some here seem incapable of distinguishing between the two. Blatant bibliolatry - and proud of it.

470 posted on 06/16/2011 10:24:54 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Cronos; presently no screen name; Natural Law; Judith Anne

It’s my impression from years of RF combat (wanna see my medals?) that there are some who think that original sin (or the curse of Adam or whatever you want to call it — the result of the disobedience, in any case) is actually transmitted by the ‘Y’ chromosome, and that that’s part of why Jesus, if he were to be sinless had to have NOT had a human father.


471 posted on 06/16/2011 10:24:53 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: boatbums; daniel1212
They have bet their eternity on trusting fallible men to be faultless based only upon those very men's proclamation of infallibility.

Great insight, thanks.

472 posted on 06/16/2011 10:26:55 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Mad Dawg

That is so bizarre. As if Mary didn’t need Christ as her Savior and Lord.


473 posted on 06/16/2011 10:28:16 AM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Mad Dawg

True.

And this explains the internet prayer:

“Y not me, Lord.”


474 posted on 06/16/2011 10:28:25 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: wmfights; boatbums; daniel1212

Well, let me pick a nit.

Vatican I, in which papal infallibility was ‘defined’ was not one guy saying,”I’m infallible”, but a bunch of guys saying, “We’re infallible when we say that he’s infallible.” That’s a little different.

But still, we find in scripture talk of a gift of teaching. I guess it would be good to look at how good that gift can be if what is taught is not reliable.

And I guess your side has to say that the Council of Acts 15 could have been wrong when it said, “IT seems good to the Holy SPirit and to us,...” OR that that was the last council. And where would you find that in Scripture?

The idea CAN be expressed to make it look completely off the wall. But it can also be expressed to show its Biblical roots which make it a tad less bizarre.


475 posted on 06/16/2011 10:42:17 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: D-fendr

LOL.

I HAD wondered ....


476 posted on 06/16/2011 10:45:14 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

I haven’t checked, but I heard that the last line of the Westminster Confession of Faith is:

“But we could be wrong about all this.”


477 posted on 06/16/2011 10:48:11 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: presently no screen name
"'God's Word is not enough'"

I don't know if it is intellectual dishonesty, intellectual laziness, or intellectual limitations that have prevented you from grasping that "God's Word" is much more than the portion that was written. Jesus said: "It is written, ‘ MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.’”, but it had not yet been put to paper, so "It is written" obviously means something other than putting quill to parchment, pencil to paper or chisel to stone. It means "contained within the Word of God", not necessarily the written Word.

You bibliolaters really need to get off the backs of Christians and look to your own salvation.

478 posted on 06/16/2011 10:48:58 AM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Natural Law
"Prove it."

Prove the Scripture is true? Faith does not require proof.

The art of misdirection???

Here is what I asked you to prove:

"...Remember no bishop exists, or has ever existed who has not had the hands of a bishop placed upon him during ordination."

The above is not Scriptural. Again, I ask you to prove it.

479 posted on 06/16/2011 10:50:16 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: D-fendr

Oops. Mad Dawgs can err too, and frequently do!
I should have said that I was referring to the Anglican “Articles of Religion” when I said the following.

Articles 19 and 21 aver that councils can err.

So what you’re left with is, “This is our best guess.”


480 posted on 06/16/2011 11:13:56 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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