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To: ex-snook; redgolum; greyfoxx39; GOPBlonde; Salvation; fieldmarshaldj; Mamzelle; TigerClaws; ...
First, I'm taking her photo down because I don't want somebody to find out I used it. Don't worry, I'll have it. My ex emailed it to my daughter, and she let me save it when she checked her email here; I didn't tell her about this thread. Somebody did the artwork on it, and it's nice.

Your prayers, mine, and whoever prayed at the shrine may have been the only prayers or spiritual comfort she got. I'm not excessively mourning, life has to go on, but she died early Friday morning, my son goes to the hospital because his father wanted him there with his wife (and said she's taking it hard) to identify the body and whatever has to be done because she died at home, then off to work, then off on vacation for the weekend. I asked him how could he go and have fun right now, meaning so soon . . .he had promised his kids. After the autopsy, her body was going to be taken to a funeral home/crematorium in the neighboring state, visitation, cremation, then her mother was going to scatter her ashes back in their home town. She came here because she wanted to die here, and my daughter said Francie had told her she wanted to be cremated; I stayed out of that. There are still people here who would remember her and care about her if they knew what happened to her.

My daughter says people just can't stop their regular business. I know that. All my relatives for generations were buried the customary way but one (or a few I don't know for sure).

Now no obit, no death notice in our local paper or hometown paper I could find, no visitation, no funeral or memorial service here I know about, so says my son when my daughter called to ask about all that tonight, and my ex is off on a business trip today. I own four nice grave sites in a small town cemetery and offered through my daughter (some time back) how she could avoid most of the expenses and offered one of the grave sites. It would have been awkward, 50 miles away, but there was that. So that's not going to happen.

I don't know if this is the place for it but I can't think of a better one, and the last four deaths close to me there were cremations for various reasons. Two of my daughters want to be cremated. I don't want to offend peoples' sensitivities, sometimes there is no choice.

I know a lot of people prefer it these days, sometimes they can't afford anything else, sometimes they just like the idea, but I'm a traditionalist and believe in some kind of Christian burial of "something" like the 911 families, some of which were denied even that comfort.

So what would be your ideas of my getting my family together and we have a private memorial service for her for any willing to participate? I asked my son if he'd had their new baby baptized. He said he did it. What can a grandmother do? I can also have a mass offered for her. I don't want to raise a big stink about it and it may not be all as I said here because news filters in in bits and pieces.

Without getting into sectarian bickering, am I overreacting and burial doesn't matter any more because of you know, environmentalism, personal preferences, but I think of Jesus? He was buried according to tradition (by sundown according to Jewish custom; there is usually a time lapse now, I have no problem with that), and most Christians of all denominations for centuries have been given Christian services of some sort unless they were some poor soul who left no survivors or some exigency where it wasn't possible. I know people out there are grieving because they don't have the money to claim relatives' bodies and have a funeral for them because of the economy. It must be heartrending for some and not bother others.

According to Catholic tradition, burial of the dead was considered a corporal work of mercy, a duty. I think in the old testament, there were blessings associated with it, burying any dead, particularly strangers, can't remember the particular scripture.

Sorry to take more of your time, but I'd appreciate thoughts. And I'll just pray about it, what someone in my position should or shouldn't do. Maybe we should just let it be and hope I'm not being a bother to you people? I don't really have anyone right now from whom I can seek spiritual advice of this sort. Thank you.

43 posted on 06/13/2011 11:44:28 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska

You seem to sort of be being ignored during the whole grief process. I’m sorry.

I don’t think cremation is a sin, but, I don’t like it, because I don’t like the final image of burning, which is hellish in my opinion. I like burial, where the final image is sleeping, which I think is biblical - the person is at rest.

I am afraid that if you organize a memorial service you might get hurt even more, because I am afraid just because of the sort of indifference you seem to be describing on behalf of others that maybe few to no one would show up? And I’d hate to see you further hurt.

As a matter of discussion perhaps there is something significant you could do for her memory. For instance if she loved sewing perhaps you could donate a sewing machine amount to World Harvest or whatever it is called that gives sewing machines to needy families. Or if she loved gardening perhaps a special bench in your front yard near a particularly nice planted area in her memory. Something tangible and real that would give you a positive thing to do with your sorrow.

Hope nothing I said stirs sectarian wars, that’s not my intention, just responding to your post and hope my thoughts provide some comfort. I’ll be interested to see what others think.


44 posted on 06/14/2011 12:01:56 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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