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To: mlizzy; fwdude
And you will not find many Catholics who claim to idolize Mary. So the "idolatrous elevation" you mention comes from *your* words, a non-Catholic, and as such, not really the Catholic Truth, but just your viewpoint.

Actually, no. This elevation comes directly from the Roman Catholic Church as shown in this entry from the RCC Catechism:

'969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfilment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix"'

Emphasis mine. So...first, where in scripture does it say that Mary was "taken up to heaven"?

Where in scripture does it say that Mary intercedes for anyone? Please see the following from 1 Timothy 2:5-6:

"5For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time."

There are how many mediators? Two? Christ and Mary? NO!!! Only Christ -- ONLY Christ. Yet, the Roman Catholic Catechism teaches Mary as an intercessor and a "Mediatrix" -- since scripture, God-breathed, states plainly that Christ is the only mediator, WHY does the RCC ELEVATE MARY to a co-equal status with God? Is that not a perfect example of idolatry? I believe so.

[...} and she leads (with tenderness) souls straight to her Son ....

Uhhhh.....NO. She does nothing of the sort. Because if she did, God would be made a liar -- and God is NOT A LIAR as proven in John 6:44 where Christ says:

"44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day."

The only way we come to Christ is by being drawn by God the Father. No one else. Not Mary. But, again, the Church teaches this falsehood.

So, it seems to me that the idolatrous elevation doesn't come from anyone or anything but the Roman Catholic Church.

Hoss "

791 posted on 06/03/2011 7:43:44 PM PDT by HossB86 ( NOBODY admits to being a Calvinist unless they are one. I AM ONE.)
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To: HossB86

Well put, Hoss. I just posted a part of one of but many Marian Prayers used in the RCC. The idolatry is impossible to deny.


792 posted on 06/03/2011 7:54:20 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: HossB86
Yaaaawwwwwnnnnnnn....
793 posted on 06/03/2011 7:55:54 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: HossB86
Catholics do not idolize Mary. Read up on Scripture and Tradition if you like. Also read the Catechism of the Catholic Church for further knowledge. Mary is Christ's mother, the mother of God. She is to be respected and loved as Christ respected and loved her. Same amount of love; same amount of respect. Think there's even one Catholic that's been able to do that? Probably not! Not even the saints, but we all still try.
798 posted on 06/03/2011 8:30:58 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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