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To: smvoice
I once knew a bible salesman and he got me, at my request, a very nice red letter bible. Turns out that I'm color blind. I couldn't tell the red letters from the black ones. Let me tell you about frustration!

"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." Matt. 6:7.

I wish I had a nickel for every time I've addressed this.

The repetitions I use are not 'vain', which I take to mean "empty." The Rosary is full of meaning and the 'lyrics' are only the externally visible/audible part. The internal meditations are the richness and fulness of the Rosary. In this connection in might be good to recall the caution against judging by outward appearance.

In any event, the injunction is against 'vain' repetition, not against all repetition.

Further, I do not think that I am heard for my much speaking. I am heard because God is gracious and not because of the quality of my prayer. IF it is meaningful to talk about some prayer being better than another, I would have to say that if I ever prayed a 'good' prayer that would have been a gift from God. I just don't see another reasonable way to think of it. I certainly don't think I am heard for my brevity or my much speaking or for anything of mine at all.

So I agree with Matt 6:7 (good thing, huh?) but don't think it applies to the way I pray.

Then many of the characterizations in your post,e.g.:
THey sent Him copies so He could keep up...
tells you how many Hail Marys you must say at this momentThe prayer to pray for more prayers to be written, so more prayer time could be arranged each day.

are untrue on their face, though they have hostile rhetorical force. So I think the words "bitter mockery" were justified.

I note that you did not respond to my attempts at counter-argument but only to "bitter mockery" and with a line from the Sermon on the Mount that does not apply to my prayer. The Lord's prayer, by the way, is "pre-printed," so I don't see how merely being set down in type is relevant.

2,411 posted on 06/14/2011 8:05:38 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg; mlizzy
1 Our Father

10 Hail Marys

1 Glory Be

1 Fatima Prayer

Repeat process with each mystery

End with Hail, Holy Queen.

What is this, if not vain repetitions?

Bitter mockery, Mad Dawg? Please explain the above to me. THEN we will discuss "bitter mockery".

2,413 posted on 06/14/2011 8:39:05 AM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: Mad Dawg; GiovannaNicoletta

LOL

Maybe I’ve forgotten that you were colorblind.

There might be a version using a different color. I don’t recall.

I know some use a variety of colors for Christ’s words, prophecy etc. Though I suspect that red is always reserved for Christ’s words.

Hey, Bro, someone asserted at lunch the other day that there are more OT prophecies about Christ’s 2nd Coming and/or rapture than there are about His first coming.

Have you discovered that in your studies?


2,425 posted on 06/14/2011 9:28:06 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Mad Dawg
"Further, I do not think that I am heard for my much speaking. I am heard because God is gracious and not because of the quality of my prayer.

Don't you know you have to close you eyes really, really, really hard such that your entire face is distorted, like those TV preachers do, for a prayer to actually be heard by God?

2,468 posted on 06/14/2011 6:06:11 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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