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The Church Fathers- Mary: Ever Virgin
The Church Fathers ^ | 120AD-450AD

Posted on 05/31/2011 11:53:33 AM PDT by marshmallow

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To: mlizzy
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Or rather a very wrong turn
at the Vatican Cult's beginning
about 1600 years ago.

801 posted on 06/03/2011 8:39:36 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: fwdude
Pure blasphemy.

Absolutely Indeed!
Most sadly.
And they seem to have
NO EYES
to see it
--even in Scripture.

802 posted on 06/03/2011 8:43:09 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: mlizzy; HossB86
More anti-scriptural blasphemy:

Our Lady of Perpetual Help

O Mother of Perpetual Help, grant that I may ever invoke thy most powerful name, which is the safeguard of the living and the salvation of the dying. O Purest Mary, O Sweetest Mary, let thy name henceforth be ever on my lips. Delay not, O Blessed Lady, to help me whenever I call on thee, for, in all my needs, in all my temptations I shall never cease to call on thee, ever repeating thy sacred name, Mary, Mary.

O what consolation, what sweetness, what confidence, what emotion fill my soul when I pronounce thy sacred name, or even only think of thee. I thank God for having given thee, for my good, so sweet, so powerful, so lovely a name. But I will not be content with merely pronouncing thy name: let my love for thee prompt me ever to hail thee, Mother of Perpetual Help.


803 posted on 06/03/2011 8:47:34 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: narses; Amityschild; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; HossB86; ...
!NOPE!

It's ya'll's
BLASPHEMOUS
idolatry of the
Magicsterical
as well as
y'all's Idolatry of
y'all's concocted
Ishtar-Mary
--a horrific--
blasphemous, idolatrous
supreme insult
to the authentic Mary of
UNRUBBERIZED Scripture
and UNRUBBERIZED history
that's the huge damnable problem
to the souls of the Vatican Cults' sheeple!



What an insult to Holy Spirit
pretending that HE is inadequate
to lead individuals into all Biblical truth.

804 posted on 06/03/2011 8:51:09 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Mary is the mother of God, Quix. You wouldn’t have been able to walk a block in her shoes. Nor could have I.


805 posted on 06/03/2011 8:55:24 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: vladimir998; NEWwoman
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806 posted on 06/03/2011 8:59:34 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Mad Dawg

The statistics indicate that the teaching is not working.

And, of course, from where I sit . . . I’m not impressed with the vast bulk of what the Magicsterical teaches.

What you cited seems more than a LOT naive, to me.

ASSUMING such a thing for mortals . . . is . . . actually . . . beyond naive . . . preposterous.


807 posted on 06/03/2011 9:02:09 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: mlizzy; HossB86
ONCE AGAIN,
just a small part of
THE EVIDENCE: .
.
.

Here's the title:

http://www.amazon.com/Ten-Meditations-Mysteries-Rosary-Ferraro/dp/0819801577/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272938246&sr=1-2

And it carries the official sanctions of:

ni•hil ob•stat
n.
1. Roman Catholic Church An attestation by a church censor that a book contains nothing damaging to faith or morals.
2. Official approval, especially of an artistic work.

WITH RICHARD CARDINAL CUSHING’S IMPRIMATUR

Let me track down the brief portion of quotes upthread . . .

Here they are:

However, as we've seen through a variety of sources--a pile of them in Ferraro's manual about the Rosary--the Roman Catholic et al/Vatican Edifice disagrees with a lot of the claims of RC's hereon to the contrary.

p.32
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[Quixicated emphases below]
Mary is crowned Queen of heaven and earth, dispenser of all graces . . .

p32
4 - She became Queen of Purgatory, where she exercises her power as mediatrix in behalf of these suffering souls.

5 - She became Queen of us sinners, to assist us through the dangers of this life and to help us in difficulties.

6 - She became the ruler of hell, that trembles at her slightest gaze and is defeated by her power.

"Just as a rock extracted from earth will precipitate into the abyss, so will man, left without Mary's help, quickly slide toward hell." --Richard of St Victor

p37
Sacred Heart of Jesus, Thy kingdom come; Thy kingdom come through Mary! --Partial Indulgence

p41
"Mary is the tree of life to those who grasp her, and he is happy who hold her fast." --Prov. 3:18

p43
1 - "Hail Mary, beloved daughter of the Father, Mother of the Divine Son, Spouse of the Holy Spirit, complement of the most august Trinity!"

p45
6 - To her was granted grace greater than that conferred upon all others, 'that she might vanquish sin in every respect.'
.
[Qx: I guess Christ's vanquishing sin was unnecessary--or ineffectual without Mary's assistance?]

p46
7 - "Mary is the dawn of God because, just as the dawn marks the end of darkness and the beginning of day, so Mary indicates the end of vices and the beginning of virtue."
.
[Qx: I guess Christ's conquering on The Cross and HIS conquering trip to hell were unncessary?]

9 - God loved Mary so much that He gave her the keys to His heart. 'No one can go to God without Mary drawing him.'
.
[Qx: I guess Holy Spirit has been relegated to a 'Walter Mitty' role as spouse of Mary? That's SOME POWER to cancel & take over HOLY SPIRIT'S role to draw men to God!]

p47
4 - "Mary, trusting in the word of the angel, destroyed the sin Eve committed by trusting in the serpent.'
.
[Qx: Evidently, she beat Christ to the job of vanquishing sin!]

5 - "She desired the safety of everyone, went in search of it, and obtained it; it was also through her that this salvation was wrought."
.
[QX: What an unnecessary waste of precious Blood and suffering on THE CROSS!!!/sar]

p47
10 - "As Noah's Ark saved all the animals that entered it, so Mary saves all the souls that entrust themselves to her care."

p50
8 - "If she were not so holy as she is, how could God appoint her to be the ladder of Paradise, the advocate of the world, meatrix between HIm and us?"

p50
4 - "By becoming Mother of God, Mary belongs to the order of hypostatic union; hence she participates IN the infinite sanctity of God."

Proddys can't hear such protestations so contrary to facts we observe so constantly in our associations with RC's face to face--and the outrageous proofs to the contrary 24/7/365 by sooooooooooooo many duplicitous Vatican Cult members on FR!

808 posted on 06/03/2011 9:05:46 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: fwdude

Sounds like Jesus would have to elbow Ishtar-Mary out of the picture to be considered at all!

What horrific idolatrous blasphemy.


809 posted on 06/03/2011 9:07:19 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Wow, pictures from your family album, huh?


810 posted on 06/03/2011 9:08:08 PM PDT by vladimir998 (When anti-Catholics can't debate they just make stuff up.)
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To: mlizzy; HossB86

NOPE.

Y’all’s concocted twisted and distorted Ishtar-Mary caricature of the authentic Mary is a farce beginning to end.

The Authentic Mary was

NOT

the mother of Almighty God as y’all’s cleverly

!!!!DEMANDED!!!! term tries to propagandized folks into sleep-walking into accepting—with full overt denials, of course—just like the globalist, Communist and Nazi propagandists were so glibly given to doing . . . deny deny deny . . . while shoveling all the greater abundances of the very thing denied—down the throats—down the minds of the sheeple.

Hideous.


811 posted on 06/03/2011 9:10:27 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: mlizzy

You are probably right about one thing.

I doubt Holy Spirit would have impregnated me for any reason.


812 posted on 06/03/2011 9:11:24 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: vladimir998

NOPE . . . the Vatican Cults’ family album.


813 posted on 06/03/2011 9:12:31 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
No kidding.

Mary's name is "most powerful" and is the "safeguard of the living" and "the salvation of the dying?"

This prayer could have just as probably been offered to Jesus.

814 posted on 06/03/2011 9:13:34 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: Quix
ROTLMAO, a heretic unitarian tries to lecture about God. Sad.
815 posted on 06/03/2011 9:13:59 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: Quix

No, they’re definitely yours.


816 posted on 06/03/2011 9:15:30 PM PDT by vladimir998 (When anti-Catholics can't debate they just make stuff up.)
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To: fwdude

“Mary’s name is “most powerful””

She is the most powerful saint.

“and is the “safeguard of the living” and “the salvation of the dying?” “

Yep. Think of the rosary - Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.”

Her intercession is very powerful - she is the most powerful saint again - and so her intercession helps us receive the grace we need from Christ to preserve us in life and to help us at the hour of death to be repentent before God.

“This prayer could have just as probably been offered to Jesus.”

And Jesus could just as easily have redeemed us without dying. He chose a way that demonstrated His love. Jesus uses Mary out of love as well - just as He uses us.


817 posted on 06/03/2011 9:20:15 PM PDT by vladimir998 (When anti-Catholics can't debate they just make stuff up.)
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To: fwdude

INDEED.


818 posted on 06/03/2011 9:21:01 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: vladimir998
I don't actually have a family album.

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819 posted on 06/03/2011 9:22:48 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

The Litany of the Sacred Heart of Jesus

Lord, have mercy.
Christ, have mercy.
Lord, have mercy.
Christ, graciously hear us.
God, the Father of Heaven, have mercy on us.
God, the Son, Redeemer of the World, have mercy on us.
God, the Holy Ghost, have mercy on us.
Holy Trinity, one God, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, Son of the Eternal Father, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, formed in the womb of the Virgin Mother by the Holy Ghost, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, united substantially with the word of God, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, of infinite majesty, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, holy temple of God, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, tabernacle of the Most High, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, house of God and gate of heaven, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, glowing furnace of charity, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, vessel of justice and love, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, full of goodness and love, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, abyss of all virtues, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, most worthy of all praise, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, king and center of all hearts, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, in whom are all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, in whom dwelleth all the fullness of the Divinity, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, in whom the Father is well pleased, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, of whose fullness we have all received, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, desire of the everlasting hills, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, patient and rich in mercy, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, rich to all who invoke Thee, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, fount of life and holiness, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, propitiation for our sins, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, saturated with revilings, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, crushed for our iniquities, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, made obedient unto death, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, pierced with a lance, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, source of all consolation, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, our life and resurrection, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, our peace and reconciliation, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, victim for our sins, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, salvation of those who hope in Thee, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, hope of those who die in Thee, have mercy on us.
Heart of Jesus, delight of all saints, have mercy on us.
Lamb of God, who takest away the sins of the world, spare us, O Lord.
Lamb of God, who takest away the sins of the world, graciously hear us, O Lord,
Lamb of God who takest away the sins of the world, have mercy on us.
V. Jesus, meek and humble of Heart.
R. Make our hearts like unto Thine.

Let us pray

Almighty and everlasting God, look upon the Heart of Thy well-beloved Son and upon the acts of praise and satisfaction which He renders unto Thee in the name of sinners; and do Thou, in Thy great goodness, grant pardon to them who seek Thy mercy, in the name of the same Thy Son, Jesus Christ, who liveth and reigneth with Thee, world without end.


820 posted on 06/03/2011 9:26:08 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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